GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Is business travel going to zero? No. I don’t think anyone that’s not an idiot has made that claim either.
But there’s no question it has permanently changed, and how and how much is the question.
Why I Left an Airline Pilot Career
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Is business travel going to zero? No. I don’t think anyone that’s not an idiot has made that claim either.
But there’s no question it has permanently changed, and how and how much is the question.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Max seems to doubt that there will be a significant change. I agree with you that that's unrealistic.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Look at all of those meetings that were either just not important or could have been emails.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Exactly, and you and I both understand that much better than most airline pilots.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Add it to the list.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Ya'll are 100% correct.
That being said, being able to collaborate with a team, in person, in real time, produces significantly better results in my experience.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Don’t disagree at all, there is always going to be a an opportunity and need for those situations.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
There is a social aspect that’s missing, for sure.
We haven’t been in person for grievance since March, and while we’ve had good results, I do think getting to know our new team members and going to work on certain issues in person is both inevitable and important. But a lot of what we do, we can do just fine with Teams and an email client.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Here we go again... Let's put our bets down now.
Regardless some of y'all clowns (Todd will never own it, but Forbes offered him money to say it) said it'd be years to touch 1 to 1.5 million paxs again, we were heading back to the 50-200k number with cases on the rise in the winter, and we will never hit 2 million maybe till the end of this decade.
Now we are on a 4 day streak of 1 million passengers and our borders are essentially closed and nothing to do. Of course business travel will be different and some will be lost forever. Doesn't mean new business travel can't start or the number is so significant we as pilots need to fear for our careers being over forever. Humans are humans. Just because Todd thrives to live in his house 365 days a year and has a family business who doesn't see any need for business travel again, doesn't mean it's never coming back. Just because there's technology to work from home, buy from home and never have a need to leave your house doesn't mean you're never leaving your house.
It will be a slow recovery and some will never return. Trying to predict (again) is just hilarious to me. Hell 6-800k people a day found a way to travel post summer where there was literally nothing to do and we were still in midst of this. I think some of you seriously underestimate the human element in all of this. We all know there going to be a chunk of travel to not return for at least the next few years, hell ever. But that doesn't mean it's the beginning to an end for airlines. And quite frankly I find it hilarious that's the rhetoric of some.
But I guess those were the people who also said we wouldn't see a million a day in years,half our industry consolidated, half airline pilots furloughed and our industry would never hire another pilot again.
www.wsj.com
Regardless some of y'all clowns (Todd will never own it, but Forbes offered him money to say it) said it'd be years to touch 1 to 1.5 million paxs again, we were heading back to the 50-200k number with cases on the rise in the winter, and we will never hit 2 million maybe till the end of this decade.
Now we are on a 4 day streak of 1 million passengers and our borders are essentially closed and nothing to do. Of course business travel will be different and some will be lost forever. Doesn't mean new business travel can't start or the number is so significant we as pilots need to fear for our careers being over forever. Humans are humans. Just because Todd thrives to live in his house 365 days a year and has a family business who doesn't see any need for business travel again, doesn't mean it's never coming back. Just because there's technology to work from home, buy from home and never have a need to leave your house doesn't mean you're never leaving your house.
It will be a slow recovery and some will never return. Trying to predict (again) is just hilarious to me. Hell 6-800k people a day found a way to travel post summer where there was literally nothing to do and we were still in midst of this. I think some of you seriously underestimate the human element in all of this. We all know there going to be a chunk of travel to not return for at least the next few years, hell ever. But that doesn't mean it's the beginning to an end for airlines. And quite frankly I find it hilarious that's the rhetoric of some.
But I guess those were the people who also said we wouldn't see a million a day in years,half our industry consolidated, half airline pilots furloughed and our industry would never hire another pilot again.
Business Travel Was Terrible—and I Miss It So Much
A newfound appreciation for long waits at airports, bland rental cars and rooms without views.
www.wsj.com
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Meh.Here we go again... Let's put our bets down now.
Regardless some of y'all clowns (Todd will never own it, but Forbes offered him money to say it) said it'd be years to touch 1 to 1.5 million paxs again, we were heading back to the 50-200k number with cases on the rise in the winter, and we will never hit 2 million maybe till the end of this decade.
Now we are on a 4 day streak of 1 million passengers and our borders are essentially closed and nothing to do. Of course business travel will be different and some will be lost forever. Doesn't mean new business travel can't start or the number is so significant we as pilots need to fear for our careers being over forever. Humans are humans. Just because Todd thrives to live in his house 365 days a year and has a family business who doesn't see any need for business travel again, doesn't mean it's never coming back. Just because there's technology to work from home, buy from home and never have a need to leave your house doesn't mean you're never leaving your house.
It will be a slow recovery and some will never return. Trying to predict (again) is just hilarious to me. Hell 6-800k people a day found a way to travel post summer where there was literally nothing to do and we were still in midst of this. I think some of you seriously underestimate the human element in all of this. We all know there going to be a chunk of travel to not return for at least the next few years, hell ever. But that doesn't mean it's the beginning to an end for airlines. And quite frankly I find it hilarious that's the rhetoric of some.
But I guess those were the people who also said we wouldn't see a million a day in years,half our industry consolidated, half airline pilots furloughed and our industry would never hire another pilot again.
Business Travel Was Terrible—and I Miss It So Much
A newfound appreciation for long waits at airports, bland rental cars and rooms without views.
I have a good friend who is a saleswoman for Agilent and is a Super Double Unobtanium member at SJI. In her words, “travel presently requires admiralty-level authorization” at that company. I suspect most shops are going to be that way until the virus is under control (which means, “y’all got any more of that mRNA?”). I think they looked at their risk, and potential exposure, and just said “forget it” for 2020. She DOES miss the travel and does think it’s far more effective for her to GO to a customer and figure what they need rather than trying to guess.
I agree with you generally. I just think it’ll be a while. I sure like not going to FLL in the summertime, for example, but I do miss aspects of business travel. And I do generally agree that some things are done better face to face.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
The only reason pilots think things will never get better is because we're a bunch of social rejects who don't know how to interact with people without burping out Tourette's style quips about MY • MONEY and LOA 72. I have to imagine this stems from the fact that most of us don't understand WHY people want to travel and interact with others because WE don't know how to interact with others.
The rest of the world is likely chomping at the bit to not be stuck in their house for 18 months straight.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Hey man....Beth Harmon plays chess alone too....
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Here we go again... Let's put our bets down now.
Regardless some of y'all clowns (Todd will never own it, but Forbes offered him money to say it) said it'd be years to touch 1 to 1.5 million paxs again, we were heading back to the 50-200k number with cases on the rise in the winter, and we will never hit 2 million maybe till the end of this decade.
Now we are on a 4 day streak of 1 million passengers and our borders are essentially closed and nothing to do. Of course business travel will be different and some will be lost forever. Doesn't mean new business travel can't start or the number is so significant we as pilots need to fear for our careers being over forever. Humans are humans. Just because Todd thrives to live in his house 365 days a year and has a family business who doesn't see any need for business travel again, doesn't mean it's never coming back. Just because there's technology to work from home, buy from home and never have a need to leave your house doesn't mean you're never leaving your house.
It will be a slow recovery and some will never return. Trying to predict (again) is just hilarious to me. Hell 6-800k people a day found a way to travel post summer where there was literally nothing to do and we were still in midst of this. I think some of you seriously underestimate the human element in all of this. We all know there going to be a chunk of travel to not return for at least the next few years, hell ever. But that doesn't mean it's the beginning to an end for airlines. And quite frankly I find it hilarious that's the rhetoric of some.
But I guess those were the people who also said we wouldn't see a million a day in years,half our industry consolidated, half airline pilots furloughed and our industry would never hire another pilot again.
Business Travel Was Terrible—and I Miss It So Much
A newfound appreciation for long waits at airports, bland rental cars and rooms without views.
Yes, yes, you're absolutely right. How could I have been so blind! Everything in the airline industry is just golden again with *checks notes*, 43.29% of last year's traveler numbers for the same seven day period.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Well hammer meet nail...
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
No one is saying it's golden. But it's recovering during times it shouldn't. Which.... Wait...*checks notes*Yes, yes, you're absolutely right. How could I have been so blind! Everything in the airline industry is just golden again with *checks notes*, 43.29% of last year's traveler numbers for the same seven day period.
....you said it would be years to get back to this point...
And wait.... You said mass furloughs....
All I'm saying Todd is you've had a doomsday approach to this since the beginning and you've been wrong about a lot of things. Instead of saying you're wrong and perhaps your perception of reality on what this recovery will be like (partially because I think @jtrain609 hit the nail on the head), you continually try to hammer this home.
Look if y'all want to doom, that's fine. Your projections or opinions on the industries recovery are just that, yours. I know this will hurt your ego for someone to challenge you and say maybe your wrong, but maybe you are. I'm cautiously optimistic about the recovery we are seeing and the future ahead.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
But he's not wrong. It's the end of December and for much of the month we were at 35%
Numerous regionals now no longer exist....
Yeah he didn't see the bailout and payroll subsidy but neither did I. As another burned out cynical pilot that survived the lost decade I was expecting a furlough and somehow I was spared. Didn't see that coming.
What am I missing?
Numerous regionals now no longer exist....
Yeah he didn't see the bailout and payroll subsidy but neither did I. As another burned out cynical pilot that survived the lost decade I was expecting a furlough and somehow I was spared. Didn't see that coming.
What am I missing?
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
I know I sure am.
I expected a bullcrap stabilization scam that padded the CEOs and screwed the little guys too, incidentally; I'm sort of amazed at how well PSP worked for us sleepy, scruffy-looking line guys. It was, in fact, a wonderful jobs program. While I still think spending money on an unemployment true-up makes more sense in the grand scheme of things, or in more fiscal support for state and local governments upon whom we are apparently depending for vaccine distribution, I'm not complaining about the efficacy of PSP.
I'm still running the ship as if I will be furloughed. As it turns out, I save a LOT of money when I don't go out to eat, too. Like, a surprising amount.
Though that appears unlikely, I still think it possible. I would act accordingly until there are a lot more shots in a lot more arms and we see fuller, and more, airplanes in the sky.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Sure some days are 35 and some days are 50. When he posted that said regionals didn't exist and the furlough numbers are no where remotely close to that WELL before this stimulus came through.
And you were just on the train telling me we are heading for worse numbers than the beginning of this because of the flu season numbers spiking, but that hasn't even remotely came true. Instead more people travelled from Thanksgiving this holiday, even though covid is out of control and more restrictions were put in place.
Point is the lot of you have been giving us your negative insight for many months. Based on your opinion of the doomsday. Which is fine but perhaps let's look at the positive for once and note a lot of doomsday horrific scenarios haven't come close to true. Perhaps there are some silver linings. Unfortunately being even remotely optimistic is somehow shunned as saying things are "golden" and "rosey". Literally no one here thinks this won't be a long and choppy recovery.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Someone has to call out the biggest head of the group. You ask for it mostly. I respect a lot of your opinions as well, I just haven't seen eye to eye with you on much this year.