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jynxyjoe said:
Ohhhh my now children. It’s been a long time since Grandpa Jynxy told is stories... but I suppose just this once.

See long long ago, in a horrible time for pilots which will come back someday, a pilot group took a low wage to fly 50 seaters around, called TSA. This is before the Blue shirted Airport Smurf Mafia came into being and ruined air travel and touched little children and grandmas under the guise of security. Which is a story I will return to someday.

Anyhoo, old TSA, we’ll just call him John, John wanted to keep on flying, get rid of those turboprops and maybe turn their little life into a big life with 50 seat barbie jets. Now John was a thinking, we’re taking on a lot of new flying and new airplanes, and it wasn’t that long ago those bags of • a couple states over paid for their job and their training, so we were just happy to have those new aircraft that were (it turned out) the future. So along comes Mr. Hulas Kanodia, a dragon, and finds a wealth of new jets for his pilots to fly. John is overjoyed that the dragon brought him new jets to play with, but, John wasn’t going to fly bigger equipment for free, so John asked for a few bucks more an hour to fly this larger and better jet. The Dragon said, no, and then formed another man out of clay, called Scabbers the Rat. Scabbers the Rat took all the flying he could, worked for even less, and smiled while doing it. The rat Scabbers was so happy, and gobbled up all the flying he could, and dragged the pay down for lots of other pilots, and made the whole industry trade real gains on their contract for Scope provisions in section 1. Then the funniest thing happened, everyone was angry at the filthy rat. They pooped on him whever they could, and the dragon laughed and laughed at the rat and poked him with a golden walking stick he made from all John’s and Scabbers labor. The Rat was sad, and angry, and he blamed it on all the other people in the story because really it was their fault. Then Scabbers tried and tried to get a labor union, and they all said die, until one day, the garbage collector union of a land called St. Louis took their money and gave them nothing. The Dragon and the other people laughed and laughed at Scabbers and to this day you can still hear it echo through all the land.

Then the dragon started hiring folks with operating their horse and wagons under the influence of mead. And their flying was taken away by a company who paid their people...i mean another skilled labourer of the town called Endeavor. It was a stupid name for a man, or a company, but whatever right? They took their flying, and none of their pilots, and the dragon ate the rat and all his stupid rat friends. The end.

Goodnight chlidren.
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Those 550's tho!
 
jynxyjoe said:
Ohhhh my now children. It’s been a long time since Grandpa Jynxy told is stories... but I suppose just this once.

See long long ago, in a horrible time for pilots which will come back someday, a pilot group took a low wage to fly 50 seaters around, called TSA. This is before the Blue shirted Airport Smurf Mafia came into being and ruined air travel and touched little children and grandmas under the guise of security. Which is a story I will return to someday.

Anyhoo, old TSA, we’ll just call him John, John wanted to keep on flying, get rid of those turboprops and maybe turn their little life into a big life with 50 seat barbie jets. Now John was a thinking, we’re taking on a lot of new flying and new airplanes, and it wasn’t that long ago those bags of • a couple states over paid for their job and their training, so we were just happy to have those new aircraft that were (it turned out) the future. So along comes Mr. Hulas Kanodia, a dragon, and finds a wealth of new jets for his pilots to fly. John is overjoyed that the dragon brought him new jets to play with, but, John wasn’t going to fly bigger equipment for free, so John asked for a few bucks more an hour to fly this larger and better jet. The Dragon said, no, and then formed another man out of clay, called Scabbers the Rat. Scabbers the Rat took all the flying he could, worked for even less, and smiled while doing it. The rat Scabbers was so happy, and gobbled up all the flying he could, and dragged the pay down for lots of other pilots, and made the whole industry trade real gains on their contract for Scope provisions in section 1. Then the funniest thing happened, everyone was angry at the filthy rat. They pooped on him whever they could, and the dragon laughed and laughed at the rat and poked him with a golden walking stick he made from all John’s and Scabbers labor. The Rat was sad, and angry, and he blamed it on all the other people in the story because really it was their fault. Then Scabbers tried and tried to get a labor union, and they all said die, until one day, the garbage collector union of a land called St. Louis took their money and gave them nothing. The Dragon and the other people laughed and laughed at Scabbers and to this day you can still hear it echo through all the land.

Then the dragon started hiring folks with operating their horse and wagons under the influence of mead. And their flying was taken away by a company who paid their people...i mean another skilled labourer of the town called Endeavor. It was a stupid name for a man, or a company, but whatever right? They took their flying, and none of their pilots, and the dragon ate the rat and all his stupid rat friends. The end.

Goodnight chlidren.
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So to recap. Management stuck to their ground, pilots stuck to theirs, some other pilots came along and accepted employment at a lower rate and everyone else feels slighted. So in other words. How regional airlines have been since day 1. Comair strikes and gets an industry leading contract summer 01. 9/11 happens and all regionals after that “stab comair in the back” and vote in a crap contracts. A few yrs ago PSA pilots willingly voted a crap deal to purposefully secure more flying.

So please. So tell me how TSH holdings and TSA, Compass, and GoJets screwed you or others. Compass. Anyone hired there before Summer 2010 struck gold. Absolute gold. Now they ride the front of the 2014 Delta wave. Jtrain speaking ill of Compass and TSH, yet he went there after XJT (because that was a dead end) and upgraded fast at Compass, and became a checkairman. Then moved onto a major. GoJet pilots have moved onto literally ANY legacy/major airline you can name. Same with Trans States.

You been in the industry a while. It is dishonest and a shame when someone uses the term “scab” for anything other than crossing a picket line. It demeans / marginalizes something like crossing a picket line. So your rat scabbers in the story quickly lose my interest.

I was a 5th yr RJ FO when we did a 3-way. Your company lost its Saabs. Colgan was slowly losing their props and the writing was on the wall that all the props would be gone. At the time 2011 we were the ones that didn’t lose any planes. As a result of that 3 way, it would have ensured 5th yr FOs would have become 8-9th yr FOs. RJ FO wages were never meant to be economically viable for nearly a decade.

So I applied to the only 2 major airlines hiring, Spirit and Virgin. And I applied to a DEC position at GoJets. I got the first call at VX so off I went. But if it had been the other way, you can be darn sure I would have gone to GoJets as a DEC. No picket lines would have been crossed. You or your feelings aren’t doing anything to further my career. Nor were you are any pilot contributing to a “permanent RJ FO” fund.

alaskadrifter nailed it. Regionals are all outsourced work flying mainline routes at a fraction of the price. They are all the same. Life is too short to worry about petty regional airline fights. Get in, get your time, get out.

mikeD is absolutely correct. This is JC. We are supposed to be better than APC and the childish fighting on page 1 of this thread, all against a guy who asked a simple question.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So to recap. Management stuck to their ground, pilots stuck to theirs, some other pilots came along and accepted employment at a lower rate and everyone else feels slighted. So in other words. How regional airlines have been since day 1. Comair strikes and gets an industry leading contract summer 01. 9/11 happens and all regionals after that “stab comair in the back” and vote in a crap contracts. A few yrs ago PSA pilots willingly voted a crap deal to purposefully secure more flying.

So please. So tell me how TSH holdings and TSA, Compass, and GoJets screwed you or others. Compass. Anyone hired there before Summer 2010 struck gold. Absolute gold. Now they ride the front of the 2014 Delta wave. Jtrain speaking ill of Compass and TSH, yet he went there after XJT (because that was a dead end) and upgraded fast at Compass, and became a checkairman. Then moved onto a major. GoJet pilots have moved onto literally ANY legacy/major airline you can name. Same with Trans States.

You been in the industry a while. It is dishonest and a shame when someone uses the term “scab” for anything other than crossing a picket line. It demeans / marginalizes something like crossing a picket line. So your rat scabbers in the story quickly lose my interest.

I was a 5th yr RJ FO when we did a 3-way. Your company lost its Saabs. Colgan was slowly losing their props and the writing was on the wall that all the props would be gone. At the time 2011 we were the ones that didn’t lose any planes. As a result of that 3 way, it would have ensured 5th yr FOs would have become 8-9th yr FOs. RJ FO wages were never meant to be economically viable for nearly a decade.

So I applied to the only 2 major airlines hiring, Spirit and Virgin. And I applied to a DEC position at GoJets. I got the first call at VX so off I went. But if it had been the other way, you can be darn sure I would have gone to GoJets as a DEC. No picket lines would have been crossed. You or your feelings aren’t doing anything to further my career. Nor were you are any pilot contributing to a “permanent RJ FO” fund.

alaskadrifter nailed it. Regionals are all outsourced work flying mainline routes at a fraction of the price. They are all the same. Life is too short to worry about petty regional airline fights. Get in, get your time, get out.

mikeD is absolutely correct. This is JC. We are supposed to be better than APC and the childish fighting on page 1 of this thread, all against a guy who asked a simple question.
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Originally I was just going to ask if you shopped at Home Depot or Lowes for that ladder.

Three-way jokes aside. History being, well history, with JetU. I'm not at all surprised that you would actually apply to GoJets. Just sayin'
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Originally I was just going to ask if you shopped at Home Depot or Lowes for that ladder.

Three-way jokes aside. History being, well history, with JetU. I'm not at all surprised that you would actually apply to GoJets. Just sayin'
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I’d love to hear the history of Jet U that you speak of? Most stories in aviation are embellished or outright changed narrative based on the teller of said story.

To recap, Gulfstream had guys sitting right seat in the B1900 who got 250 hrs “free” turbine time, while Gulfstream also hired off the street FOs but didn’t have to as long as they kept a steady stream of program FOs coming through. This was seen as PFT in those days.

Jet U. Nothing more than a RJ program. The only thing you got at the end was an interview at a regional. And not even a shortened or condensed interview, it was a full 1 day length interview like anyone would have done. If you failed this interview, you were hosed and that RJ course would be wasted (nothing to show for it). If you were lucky and passed, you were hired and started like any other new hire FO at this regional. This by definition and practice was NOT a PFT program. So remind me again why jet U gets crap? The only gripe I see is “oh well you got hired with 250 some hours, unlike regular non-program guys.” Okay. First, you’re free to do to the program too. Second and more importantly, this was 2007 when several regional minimums were already about 500-600 total time. That’s without any program, just normal street hire. And in the end when all said and done there were maybe 50-60 guys for who jet U actually worked out for. The 2009 recession killed the school.


The “quality” regional airlines of 2000-2009 were Comair, ExpressJet (Comtinental Express), and Horizon. Those represented the higher pay/contracts/QOL. Ask those pilots today how it’s been? Comair out of business. ExpressJet had 9-10 yr FOs. Horizon too. Although today for Horizon it’s 180 degree difference.

Another thing I noticed. Most guys judging were almost exclusively regional guys who themselves benefit from the post 9/11 cutbacks at mainline and massive expansion at regionals, which led to 1-2 yr upgrades at many airlines like Pinnacle, Mesa, ExpressJet. They directly benefited and upgraded to Captains in 2 years or less (while mainline pilots were furloughed and mainline jets were parked). You talk about ladders, remember that these guys “got theirs” and now look down at other pilots entering regionals or what path they’re taking to get there. Did they feel any remorse when they were awarded their RJ Captain position in less than 2 years as a result of the massive shift away from DC9/737/Md80/F100/727 and furloughed mainline pilots? No. They were happy that they would now log TPIC for their resume and career enhancement.


Sorry if egos get hurt. I was a 5th yr RJ FO with no advancement in sight, married with bills, and there were no picket lines or fences. Absolutely yes I’d have gone to GoJet as DEC. Today? I wouldn’t go to GoJet simply because they are losing all their Delta flying and I do not think they have recovered enough flying to replace that loss. I’d do Envoy/PSA/Piedmont and keep the flow in the back pocket. This is today. Ask 6 yrs from now, and the advice will change.



TLDR...........



No one. And I mean no one. Outside online pilot forums cares where you came from once you are hired at a regional airline. Ditto once you get to a major. Your CA ask where you were before or what you did before, but that conversation doesn’t delve itself into what regional was “sucky” and why you went there.

TLDR part 2...................

Anyone judging you who started at the regionals from 2002 basically made their regional career off the backs of furloughed mainline pilots in times of expanding RJ fleets while mainline airliners were parked. So if they give you crap, hold a mirror up for them.
 
Terry said:
Anyone currently at GoJet can you please pm I have some questions .. thanks in advance
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Skåning said:
GoJet ??
More like NopeJet
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Terry said:
This is honestly why I dont read or come to this board .. too many smart ass answers and no one wants to help answer questions .. I thought we were all professionals ..
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Let me help you here. A GoJet pilot would have come back at @Skåning with: "It would have rhymed -and been funny- if it had been, 'More like NoJet!'"
Yeah, you can use that in your interview. For GoJet, GrowSet. ;)

Now that we've got that out of our system, Imma PM you with a contact who can answer any questions you might have. :)

Edit: there's always @Beefy McGee... :0
 
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alaskadrifter said:
I find it ironic that a regional gets picked on, when the entire regional airline industry exists to undercut mainline pilots. Wait, the word I’m looking for is hypocritical.
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You do understand that the whole Regional concept was machinated and reified by the Majors, right? This is a management/worker conflict, not a regional/mainline conflict.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, there should be One Union for All pilots.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Anyone who thinks that GoJet today is any different than any other regional is someone who doesn’t understand what the original fight over GoJet was about. We HAD good reason to hate GoJet pilots...13 years ago.
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But when you really get to the bottom of it, there’s a reason to hate just about any and every regional airline.

How much can one really blame Hulas Klondike bar. If I’m management and want 70 seaters, I offer you a certain rate. You can counter as TSA pilots and offer me something. But at some point, I’ll let it be clear it's this rate or pound sand. Something called leverage and back then, you didn’t have any. It’s nothing personal. I know you’re only here to build a resume and will ditch me as soon as a major calls. So now we start GoJets with 70 seaters at a rate I wanted. I won, labor lost. In the end, it still worked out good for TSA pilots and GoJets pilots.

That’s the problem with regional airlines. It is outsourced work. And someone will ALWAYS be willing to do it for cheaper. Leverage is severely limited as a regional airline. Comair proved what happens when a regional gets an “industry leading contract.”
 
jynxyjoe said:
And ur wrong and we still do.

I hate them less now that theyre losing airplanes to better paying airline.
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How ironic. Remember the 2012 bankruptcy? BK wage rates? Under threat of 1113? And then after all that you secured more regional flying. Before that, pretty sure I flew several NxxxCA Comair birds as they were on their way out, from a higher paying (Comair) regional to a trash pay 1999 contract at Pinnacle.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
But when you really get to the bottom of it, there’s a reason to hate just about any and every regional airline.

How much can one really blame Hulas Klondike bar. If I’m management and want 70 seaters, I offer you a certain rate. You can counter as TSA pilots and offer me something. But at some point, I’ll let it be clear it's this rate or pound sand. Something called leverage and back then, you didn’t have any. It’s nothing personal. I know you’re only here to build a resume and will ditch me as soon as a major calls. So now we start GoJets with 70 seaters at a rate I wanted. I won, labor lost. In the end, it still worked out good for TSA pilots and GoJets pilots.

That’s the problem with regional airlines. It is outsourced work. And someone will ALWAYS be willing to do it for cheaper. Leverage is severely limited as a regional airline. Comair proved what happens when a regional gets an “industry leading contract.”
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Again, before your time, and you really don’t know what that whole fight was about. Alter ego is not the same as “I’ll agree to fly that airplane that mainline scope specifically allows to be outsourced at a slightly lower rate than pilots at another regional are willing to do.” When we pretend that this is the same, or that SCAB means something other than crossing a legal picket line, then we water down what these things are really all about, and it weakens labor’s argument.
 
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