Goodbye Oscar

So from a pilots perspective is this a good or bad?

I stole this from another forum but I think this poster is SPOT ON about Oscar/Kirby

First, I will preface this with the fact that I am a pilot and very comfortable with selfishly pushing to better my own lot. I am against any relaxation of scope, simply because it erodes my job security and potential future earnings. I have to say that, because any nuanced opinion these days seems to tempt people to throw you out of their in-group and thus discredit anything you had to say.

That said, we don’t know that he has a fascination with outsourcing. That is attributing a motive to his desire to grow express that is completely unproven. You and the rest that take this for granted are speculating at best, at worst you’re naively guessing at his motives in an us-vs-him game to make yourself feel better.

For fun, pretend one of us are in charge of the airline and want it to grow. Now imagine you don’t have an attachment to the “pilot profession” or “shop stewardship” or the whatever the FAs tell themselves about their cadre; imagine your peers judge you on (and therefore your self worth is derived from) your title, your company’s bottom line and your wife and vacation houses.... well it’s pretty simple for an ambitious guy like Scott: you need more feed, both RJ and NB that connect to lucrative WB or other high yield routes (SF/LA- NYC/BOS/DC)! More feed means upgauging high yield routes, which = more $$$ for management/Wall Street with the same cost structure for labor.

Why wouldn’t a person in his shoes want more RJs? The CSAT scores, safety and overall reliability aren’t bad enough to warrant bringing it in house, so you have ZERO motivation to do so, not to mention it would cost more. So it’s not personal, it what 9 out of 10 people would probably try to do in his situation. Visionaries who can see beyond the normal and de facto rules of the game are outliers. We were lucky Oscar seemed to be in that group, and yes, it doesn’t seem like Scott is, but that still doesn’t put him in the category that most of you want to.

Again, is it more frustrating to you that he plots again you (As you seem to hope), or that in reality, you’re one of the 15 long term things he juggles and doesn’t really give you that much thought at all? all we can do is maintain scope so that his pragmatic mind will have to find a solution in the form of 100 feet or more NB feed


Quoted someone else:
Now the good cop from the good cop/bad cop equation is being removed. If Kirby get his way, those to follow will be at express longer than anyone wants, like you and I were at Skywest.

This illustrates the black/white narrative that we all gravitate towards quite well...
Oscar good/Kirby bad.
More like:
Oscar: visionary leader who realized he has better things to do than run an airline
Scott: bright, hyper-focused guy with a lot to prove. Obstacles beware
 
For fun, pretend one of us are in charge of the airline and want it to grow. Now imagine you don’t have an attachment to the “pilot profession” or “shop stewardship” or the whatever the FAs tell themselves about their cadre; imagine your peers judge you on (and therefore your self worth is derived from) your title, your company’s bottom line and your wife and vacation houses.... well it’s pretty simple for an ambitious guy like Scott: you need more feed, both RJ and NB that connect to lucrative WB or other high yield routes (SF/LA- NYC/BOS/DC)! More feed means upgauging high yield routes, which = more $$$ for management/Wall Street with the same cost structure for labor.

Why wouldn’t a person in his shoes want more RJs? The CSAT scores, safety and overall reliability aren’t bad enough to warrant bringing it in house, so you have ZERO motivation to do so, not to mention it would cost more. So it’s not personal, it what 9 out of 10 people would probably try to do in his situation.
Now keep in mind I'm quoting AA's quoted post. So I'm not saying, hey AA you're wrong because, I'm saying this quote from apc or whoever is what I'm focusing on.

This cute thing when we observe the enemy and try to humanize him more, does it matter. "here's said manager, he hates labor because they never let him live down his failures and they want some of the company's money he thinks is his already", kind of stuff.

Why do we bend over backwards to try to get across to other people (who know already but probably don't have that front of mind narrative when dealing with their enemy) how another person thinks. "you see its not personal, this guy is just trying to gut you and steal your wages, take away a brighter future, because he wants to pretend he's a visionary by recycling a management playbook from the 2000s". It's not personal but, I'm not racist but, I'm not looking for a genocide but.

You know, black and white may not create a full picture, but I've seen some great black and white sketches and I can use my imagination from there. I don't have all day to dote on whatever management sociopath climbed the ladder and is settling in for the next four years.

Just curious if I'm alone on this. Like/subscribe/ring that bell and sign up for my soapbox newsletter.
 
Now keep in mind I'm quoting AA's quoted post. So I'm not saying, hey AA you're wrong because, I'm saying this quote from apc or whoever is what I'm focusing on.

This cute thing when we observe the enemy and try to humanize him more, does it matter. "here's said manager, he hates labor because they never let him live down his failures and they want some of the company's money he thinks is his already", kind of stuff.

Why do we bend over backwards to try to get across to other people (who know already but probably don't have that front of mind narrative when dealing with their enemy) how another person thinks. "you see its not personal, this guy is just trying to gut you and steal your wages, take away a brighter future, because he wants to pretend he's a visionary by recycling a management playbook from the 2000s". It's not personal but, I'm not racist but, I'm not looking for a genocide but.

You know, black and white may not create a full picture, but I've seen some great black and white sketches and I can use my imagination from there. I don't have all day to dote on whatever management sociopath climbed the ladder and is settling in for the next four years.

Just curious if I'm alone on this. Like/subscribe/ring that bell and sign up for my soapbox newsletter.
Interesting take. I personally don’t think the human side matters. Even if he hates pilots who cares? His agenda, your agenda. You are both going to look out for the respective. If he can get you in a position (like delta seems to maybe currently be in) to look out for both, great! I don’t care what the boss thinks of me if I’m doing my job on the up and up. He/she should feel the same.
 
Interesting take. I personally don’t think the human side matters. Even if he hates pilots who cares? His agenda, your agenda. You are both going to look out for the respective. If he can get you in a position (like delta seems to maybe currently be in) to look out for both, great! I don’t care what the boss thinks of me if I’m doing my job on the up and up. He/she should feel the same.
Alright.

Whenever I object to some garbage person an apologist seems to come out of the woodwork to humanism them and help you understand them. It's fun when a guy does it in a movie, like when Alfred explains what the joker might be through a story about a violent nihilist in the jungle he killed once (at least he hopes) . That's good story telling to bring an audience in. When someone tries to paint the picture of someone like my ceo to me it's just annoying.
 
Our aggressive growth is mostly Kirby. As long as we can move forward without scope changes Kirby will be good for us.
 
Kirby will be good for us.
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They could spend their time painting Star Wars figurines and contribute to the vintage Ez-Bake Oven collector fund as long as they sign on the line that is dotted when it comes to contract time.
 
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