The Great Jumpseat War of 2019
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jynxyjoe
Queso King
Is this because they aren't getting a reciprocal agreement?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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My thoughts exactly. Watching this insanity from the outside is entertaining as hell.
Screaming_Emu
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Bold move, cotton. And by bold I mean stupid.
ScorpioStinger
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Nothing to see here folks, just a few macho men who feel butt-hurt and disrespected, trying to make a bravado scene.
On a serious note, anyone care to post a cliff note explanation of what is happening? What is the end game?
Thanks,
~ Fly safe.
On a serious note, anyone care to post a cliff note explanation of what is happening? What is the end game?
Thanks,
~ Fly safe.
Screaming_Emu
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From what I’m told, United FOM now puts airlines who ONLY fly for United ahead of those carriers who fly for multiple majors in terms of priority.
Kind of...makes sense honestly.
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UALPA unilaterally violated the JS agreement, refused to negotiate it, and had UAL make a software change to get what they wanted, in violation of OO
Negotiations were attempted in good faith by the regionals in question, for years, and UALPA’s response was basically “suck it up, buttercup—we’re mainline so we get whatever we want.”
Nobody at OO wants a jumpseat war, but in this case there was no option other than rolling over and letting UALPA dictate terms (in violation of our agreement, and the priority listed in the FOM.)
Negotiations were attempted in good faith by the regionals in question, for years, and UALPA’s response was basically “suck it up, buttercup—we’re mainline so we get whatever we want.”
Nobody at OO wants a jumpseat war, but in this case there was no option other than rolling over and letting UALPA dictate terms (in violation of our agreement, and the priority listed in the FOM.)
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
And throws the others (Skywest, Republic, and Mesa) in the OAL category. Also bumps themselves above UAX pilots on UAX metal. We were told even pursuing to have priority over own metal but that wasn't going to fly.
Now we are told the jumpseat agreement is invalid on the 15th so allowing UAX (Besides those 3) and UAL pilots in ANY of our jumps is against FOM, which would be against the FAR'S....
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Who exactly were they negotiating with at Skywest?
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
🦈💜
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I am pro-ALPA, but that is a discussion for another time.
Screaming_Emu
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I’m just saying that a time like this it would benefit to be part of a real union. Not that it helped RAH, but still.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Well, RAH doesn't have a real union, either...
ScorpioStinger
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Great article on the history of Fee-for-Departure, I recommend all regional carrier pilots read it, most especially those at SKYW, RAH, MESA.
www.audriesaircraftanalysis.com
Part 2) Regional Airline Industry – (Fee for Departure) The back story.
See part 1.) Regional Airline Industry Pilot Demand. The last year has been an eventful one in the regional airline industry to say the least. After last years collapse in pay among regiona…
www.audriesaircraftanalysis.com
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
I fail to see how this is relevant. A UALPA decision to do what they want means it's our fault and we need to know our place? The regional pilots had no say in this decision.Great article on the history of Fee-for-Departure, I recommend all regional carrier pilots read it, most especially those at SKYW, RAH, MESA.
Part 2) Regional Airline Industry – (Fee for Departure) The back story.
See part 1.) Regional Airline Industry Pilot Demand. The last year has been an eventful one in the regional airline industry to say the least. After last years collapse in pay among regiona…
My understanding is somehow GoJet is still counted as UAX non exclusive... then G7 dispatch, THEN OO and YV, who do a crap ton of UAX flying. You can't tell me how it makes any sense that a Kalitta pilot would bump a SkyWest or Mesa pilot commuting to fly a United Express trip off the jumpseat.
