FAA maybe not so stupid?

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FAA Wants Action On Declining Pilot Skills

The FAA has formally requested the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to address the issue of declining manual flight skills among airline
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First I was like, "oh no you didnt!" but then I read the article. A push for all airline pilots across the globe to get back into flying the airplane, while still looking to change the MCAS logic and possibly remove the single point failure they believed-in the past-wasn't a single point failure. Not bad for a toothless, feckless group of clock punchers.

Thankfully I'm so damn good this isn't directed at me. So I'll be kicking that auto pilot on early and stay on late.

*kicks back in chair and snoozes*
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
A bunch of accidents caused by pilots not understanding their automation? Yeah, more hand flying is really what's needed. :sarcasm:
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Eh, idk, maybe I should read the newest and best latest and greatest on these accidents. Seems like you're pulling back and the trim wheel is going forward and the majority of pilots were able to shut it off and they didn't know anything about the automation except it was f'ing a dog.

Anyway, if it's more complex than that and you have a link to an article that dives deep I'll read it. Seemed like someone somewhere posted up a long one describing both that I read.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
A bunch of accidents caused by pilots not understanding their automation? Yeah, more hand flying is really what's needed. :sarcasm:
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I'm headed out the door to an ALPA meeting, but the short answer is this, Holmes: You have to fix both.

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SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Well, sure. But it seems to me that one problem is much bigger than the other. But because you like to wack it to thoughts of hand flying, you focus on the wrong one.
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I am certain from your desk at zero feet and zero knots you are in a much better position to adequately assess the human factors challenges that this industry has than I am from FL330 and 500 knots—you're right.

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Crop Duster said:
Good... Very Good... Excellent Post.
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More than what Pierre and Hans (and some bloke who builds the wings and engines) I can cite research too, so.

It pisses me off to no end to hear there's no hand-flying problem in this business. There is very much a hand-flying problem in this business. There is also a problem with ensuring that pilots are adequately equipped with an understanding of their airplanes, and that includes their autoflight system.

A mode reversion should cause you to sit up and pay attention, but the state transition itself should never be a surprise.

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Autothrust Blue said:
More than what Pierre and Hans (and some bloke who builds the wings and engines) I can cite research too, so.

It pisses me off to no end to hear there's no hand-flying problem in this business. There is very much a hand-flying problem in this business. There is also a problem with ensuring that pilots are adequately equipped with an understanding of their airplanes, and that includes their autoflight system.

A mode reversion should cause you to sit up and pay attention, but the state transition itself should never be a surprise.

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Hell, bro. For me, the state of transition from one A/P mode to the next is damned near always in question. That's why I so often revert to A/P-F/D OFF, FLY AIRPLANE mode; That mode has never failed me.
 
Derg said:
People crashed airplanes for all sorts of stupid reasons before highly automated airplanes.

Smells like another baby boomer “generational” slight.
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The following are generalizations:*

Pilots have - and will continue to - crash airplanes when events or situations distract them from, or impede their ability to fly the airplane.
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Historically...
Good pilots crash airplanes when planes break.
Bad pilots cause planes to break and then crash them.

Currently...
Old-time pilots crash airplanes because they break the automation, and then they don't realize what's happening.
Magenta pilots crash airplanes because the automation breaks, and then they don't know how to fly the airplane.


*...so, prophylactically, calm the F down.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
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"Remember Bucharest!"
"Instead of saving them, the autopilot kills them!"

I'm likely one of the staunchest advocates for training on this board. All for training. Initial. Recurrent. Supplemental. It's all good.
But if kicking off the A/P and holding the controls during an exigent circumstance is the kind of stuff that needs to be re-trained to experienced AA pilots, I'm done with this industry.
 
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