Turbulence Avoidance

[R2D]

Wrong. Pilots have no way to talk with Metro. All comms route through the dispatch desk. All Metro does is produce the weather products. One for the pilots, one for the dispatchers. It’s the same info, just distributed through two different channels. As for violating 161, since the FAA signed off on this set up, I’m gonna go with, no, it doesn’t violate anything.

Agreed. It's just tough being on a different metaphorical page, though. You tell me FWV says bumps ahead at whatever FL and I see the opposite on a different product.

And thanks for not being one of the very few who call MCC directly on their cell phone on taxi out.

 

[Flagship_dxer]

Wrong. Pilots have no way to talk with Metro. All comms route through the dispatch desk. All Metro does is produce the weather products. One for the pilots, one for the dispatchers. It’s the same info, just distributed through two different channels. As for violating 161, since the FAA signed off on this set up, I’m gonna go with, no, it doesn’t violate anything.

Just because the FAA signs off on it doesnt mean it doesnt conflict with existing FARs. Pilots and management have a larger, stronger lobby than dispatchers do.

Dispatchers should be sending weather information to the crews in the air. Ipad apps shouldnt replace sending and receiving pireps from the dispatcher. This is one step closer to eliminating the dispatch job altogether. Airlines are lobbying hard to be allowed to have dispatchers be outsourced to private contractors. As long as dispatchers do more than just send out flight plans, that won’t happen.

 

[DxDD]

Airlines are lobbying hard to be allowed to have dispatchers be outsourced to private contractors. As long as dispatchers do more than just send out flight plans, that won’t happen.

What airlines are lobbying to outsource dispatchers?

 

[manniax]

What airlines are lobbying to outsource dispatchers?

Not aware of any airlines lobbying for this, although there may be some that would like to see it happen. Jeppesen was lobbying hard for it for quite a while (since they are a provider of outsourced dispatchers to several foreign airlines) but seems to have stopped actively pursuing it for now.

 

[DxDD]

Not aware of any airlines lobbying for this, although there may be some that would like to see it happen. Jeppesen was lobbying hard for it for quite a while (since they are a provider of outsourced dispatchers to several foreign airlines) but seems to have stopped actively pursuing it for now.

Yeah but for the big companies I don’t see how that would be profitable... if they start using outside dispatchers their insurance would skyrocket, that’s the biggest reason that airlines can use contract MX on the ground but MX control has to be in-house following their own manuals and procedure for liability purposes.

 

[Cptnchia]

Dispatchers should be sending weather information to the crews in the air. Ipad apps shouldnt replace sending and receiving pireps from the dispatcher. This is one step closer to eliminating the dispatch job altogether. Airlines are lobbying hard to be allowed to have dispatchers be outsourced to private contractors. As long as dispatchers do more than just send out flight plans, that won’t happen.

You seem to have a disconnect as to what the FWV really is and how we use it. Maybe because your management views the dispatchers differently than ours does? You really seem to be spooled up about this. It doesn’t replace the dispatcher, nor does it replace PIREPS. It is just a supplemental tool used to provide additional information. It doesn’t change the relationship or flow of information between the pilots and dispatchers.

 

[Scarebus]

Just because the FAA signs off on it doesnt mean it doesnt conflict with existing FARs. Pilots and management have a larger, stronger lobby than dispatchers do.

Dispatchers should be sending weather information to the crews in the air. Ipad apps shouldnt replace sending and receiving pireps from the dispatcher. This is one step closer to eliminating the dispatch job altogether. Airlines are lobbying hard to be allowed to have dispatchers be outsourced to private contractors. As long as dispatchers do more than just send out flight plans, that won’t happen.

Dude...dxers are not going anywhere, regardless of what apps pilots use. If our main responsibility was to keep the flight in smooth air 100% of the time we wouldn’t have existed in the first place. Crews get the most accurate and up to date reports from ATC and other nearby flights. We try to predict where the bumps will be but we are mostly shooting in the dark.

Personally, I like that the crews have access to more information. It cuts down on my workload but not my importance. Until there are apps that alert crews that ORD just went into holding and their planned alternate of MKE simultaneously closed due to iced over runways and that they need to fly directly to STL instead of flying any further into an area where there are no available airports to land at dispatchers will be around.

And we won’t be working in Bangkok.