ALPA Volunteering

I learned that during my visit to the "Big Brown Desk" several years ago. Generally speaking, a company representative isn't going to ask you a question they don't already know the answer to. Fess up, say you're sorry, have a great career. Lie, deny, "yeah, but" and you're not going to have a good time.

"Yeah, I was sitting short call in Denver when crew scheduling called. I shouldn't have called in sick when I couldn't make it and should have said "I'm sorry but I'm not in position to reach ATL in time", I apologize and it will not happen again" versus "I literally got sick on the way to the airport, what do you mean KCM logged my ID getting scanned thousands of miles away? That's got to be a mistake because I was actually in Atlanta! Sick!"
Hey look, i ain't here to poke a bear but in a section 19 meeting you're gonna have most of what they have, sometimes more. They definitely dont have everything and HR definitely fishes. If you dont remember something folks dont try to be the nice guy peacemaker, just keep saying "i have no recollection of that". You should feel prepared when you walk into a section 19.

Sometimes HR is fishing because they have what they have and they don't have any ability to research what you said to the rampie, van driver, hotel staff, gate agent.
 
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"Yeah, I was sitting short call in Denver when crew scheduling called. I shouldn't have called in sick when I couldn't make it and should have said "I'm sorry but I'm not in position to reach ATL in time", I apologize and it will not happen again" versus "I literally got sick on the way to the airport, what do you mean KCM logged my ID getting scanned thousands of miles away? That's got to be a mistake because I was actually in Atlanta! Sick!"

You mean like being on short/long call, but out jumpseating to different places on various cargo airlines and taking pics while doing it? Hypothetically speaking.
 
Union work is great... not for yourself, but for everyone you can help. It can make a resume look good, (as some look at it), but keep in mind that you deal with issues, “as they arrive”. It’s rewarding to help. The negatives exist though. Expect your “off” time to be “unknown”, but your responsibilty foremost. Senior enough to be off for a “holiday event”? Great. Well crap met fan and pilot-x has an issue.. who does it call? You...it’s rewarding work and sometimes fun, but many times you get called in the worst of times. Whether it’s a holiday or the other person’s worst day, it’s on your shoulders. I did it for a decade and looking back I wouldn’t change it, but you will deal with issues that want to put you into tears- yet you must act quickly on any given day to help a fellow pilot, regardless of where you are in the game of life. That’s the responsibility and time commitment in whatever you do in a union level. Sure, some committee work is “low hanging fruit”, but if you are good, you get sucked up into the bigger positions quickly. That may make you feel better as a person, it may even help the resume or your justification to do it (internally or to your spouse), but you bear a burden when you put yourself out there as a person to help. Job hours aren’t listed for a reason. If you feel compelled to help, do it. Keep in mind, it’s not on anybody’s known time. It’s rewarding to help, but be aware what you sign up for in what you are looking to help with, committee wise.
 
I learned that during my visit to the "Big Brown Desk" several years ago. Generally speaking, a company representative isn't going to ask you a question they don't already know the answer to. Fess up, say you're sorry, have a great career. Lie, deny, "yeah, but" and you're not going to have a good time.

"Yeah, I was sitting short call in Denver when crew scheduling called. I shouldn't have called in sick when I couldn't make it and should have said "I'm sorry but I'm not in position to reach ATL in time", I apologize and it will not happen again" versus "I literally got sick on the way to the airport, what do you mean KCM logged my ID getting scanned thousands of miles away? That's got to be a mistake because I was actually in Atlanta! Sick!"


You can literally log into the KCM website and see your KCM scanned locations and times. It’s all recorded and easily visible.
 
Having been an ALPA volunteer for quite some time now, in several different capacities, I can say it's been very rewarding or I wouldn't continue to do it. That said, I am on the cusp of joining the ranks of the retired folks on here. One of the first things you'll learn in class is to always be on the lookout and training your replacement! This work can be very frustrating, very time consuming, very stress inducing and burnout is REAL. Oh wait, did I mention it can be very time consuming, very stress inducing and very frustrating yet? Know what you're getting yourself involved in before taking the leap. That said, some committees are a bit easier, less stressful, lower on the time commitment front than others. However, they're all important work and should be taken seriously or don't do it. You may, from time to time, get Flight Pay Loss (paid to have a trip dropped to cover union work) which helps to prevent burnout; but as some mentioned previously this is generally volunteer work.

As many have said, don't expect to jump right into some of the higher profile committees without prior experience or proving you're a good volunteer by serving in other committees first. It can be very expensive to train a volunteer. So committee chairs are hesitant to send you off to school only to have you decide the work isn't for you and bail within a few months. That's not a snub on your request to volunteer, it's the reality of committee economics. We all work within a generally thin annual budget and burning cash on a volunteer that doesn't work out negatively affects the committee and their ability for other volunteers to attend conferences or other training.

My recommendation is to step up and get involved as long as you know what you're getting into and you're doing it for the right reasons.
 
Currently enjoying the life of an underutilized reserve, so the recent MEC letter soliciting volunteers in a number of different fields got me thinking about picking up something that's not overly time consuming (I do enjoy my time with kids, plus who knows how long the current workload will last), but would serve the cause of bettering the place.

The list went somewhere along these lines:

Hotel Committee (fairly self explanatory)
...
FOQA Gatekeeper (which reminds me I need to renew my subscription for the monthly fruit basket to be sent to those dudes)
...
ASAP Review

I'm sure many of you guys held similar positions over the years, what was you experience with those?


@BigZ

I skimmed through some of this thread after your initial post and much information has been posted but I thought I'd add a reply of my own as I did work in two different committees at one airline I spent about seven years flying for.

Hotel Committee was one. It was a light workload type thing and we mostly got things done by communicating via group e-mails. There was a very occasional meeting with the company about things but more often than not, just one of the four of us could go. The hotel committee work was not enjoyable and barely effective, but that was mainly due to the fact that, like many fee-for-departure airlines, the company person who we worked with was stubborn and had little options on their end on top of that.

There was an instance where we found a downtown hotel location at one city that was actually cheaper than where we stayed at the airport, and everyone wanted to stay downtown for the 30 hour layovers. Despite having found a cheaper downtown option, the company refused to consider it out of spite.

So, the hotel committee work, I did not because it was enjoyable, but because I wanted to partake in the continual effort against the company to erode the quality of overnight stays to save an amount of money per layover that would equate to running an APU for two minutes.

* * *

Most of what I did in committee volunteering was in the realm of safety. I first got started with that as an intern for the airline that, in the eyes of the FAA, had what was generally regarded as the best safety reporting system, best FOQA program, and best set of standard operating procedures of the major airlines. It was a learning experience to say the least, to read 10-15 ASAP reports daily as they came in, for months on end, and sit through the weekly meetings where the discussion of those reports took place. At the time I thought it would be nice to someday get involved in a similar manner.

I mention the above because there have been several posts in this thread that mentioned it can be tough to get involved in the safety stuff because 'everyone' wants to do that too. I'm not sure how you could differentiate your profile a bit from the rest of the crowd, but if there is a way to do so, then it might help as far as getting involved in safety work.

I worked on the ASAP Event Review Committee for a few years which was generally 1-2 meetings per month, done as a two-day on my line, fly up the night before, and fly home after meeting day. We had three ALPA ERC reps so we took turns doing meetings and it was very flexible with vacations and other stuff -- there was always someone else to do the work if I was going to be out of town for a while. Not so with all committee work.

Later on I became Central Air Safety Chairman of the safety committee which had its challenges but after being immersed in the safety stuff for long enough, wasn't too daunting a task particularly as the airline was fairly small. There's lots of resources from ALPA at a national level, and every six months a lot of information sharing as far as how programs are run and what issues each airline was running into. That took place in DC with all of the airline safety reps attending. As BobDDuck mentioned back near the beginning of this discussion, CASC and some other safety positions aren't the type that will be openly advertised because they will likely be filled with someone who has already been doing safety work. But there are plenty of ways to break in to that side of things, like being a local safety rep at your base etc.
 
@BigZ

I skimmed through some of this thread after your initial post and much information has been posted but I thought I'd add a reply of my own as I did work in two different committees at one airline I spent about seven years flying for.

Hotel Committee was one. It was a light workload type thing and we mostly got things done by communicating via group e-mails. There was a very occasional meeting with the company about things but more often than not, just one of the four of us could go. The hotel committee work was not enjoyable and barely effective, but that was mainly due to the fact that, like many fee-for-departure airlines, the company person who we worked with was stubborn and had little options on their end on top of that.

There was an instance where we found a downtown hotel location at one city that was actually cheaper than where we stayed at the airport, and everyone wanted to stay downtown for the 30 hour layovers. Despite having found a cheaper downtown option, the company refused to consider it out of spite.

So, the hotel committee work, I did not because it was enjoyable, but because I wanted to partake in the continual effort against the company to erode the quality of overnight stays to save an amount of money per layover that would equate to running an APU for two minutes.

* * *

Most of what I did in committee volunteering was in the realm of safety. I first got started with that as an intern for the airline that, in the eyes of the FAA, had what was generally regarded as the best safety reporting system, best FOQA program, and best set of standard operating procedures of the major airlines. It was a learning experience to say the least, to read 10-15 ASAP reports daily as they came in, for months on end, and sit through the weekly meetings where the discussion of those reports took place. At the time I thought it would be nice to someday get involved in a similar manner.

I mention the above because there have been several posts in this thread that mentioned it can be tough to get involved in the safety stuff because 'everyone' wants to do that too. I'm not sure how you could differentiate your profile a bit from the rest of the crowd, but if there is a way to do so, then it might help as far as getting involved in safety work.

I worked on the ASAP Event Review Committee for a few years which was generally 1-2 meetings per month, done as a two-day on my line, fly up the night before, and fly home after meeting day. We had three ALPA ERC reps so we took turns doing meetings and it was very flexible with vacations and other stuff -- there was always someone else to do the work if I was going to be out of town for a while. Not so with all committee work.

Later on I became Central Air Safety Chairman of the safety committee which had its challenges but after being immersed in the safety stuff for long enough, wasn't too daunting a task particularly as the airline was fairly small. There's lots of resources from ALPA at a national level, and every six months a lot of information sharing as far as how programs are run and what issues each airline was running into. That took place in DC with all of the airline safety reps attending. As BobDDuck mentioned back near the beginning of this discussion, CASC and some other safety positions aren't the type that will be openly advertised because they will likely be filled with someone who has already been doing safety work. But there are plenty of ways to break in to that side of things, like being a local safety rep at your base etc.
Thank you and the others for the input.
I'm done with my P2P training and waiting for the stars (and schedules) to align for the in-person meetup in base to make it official.
I'll start at that and see where it leads.
Once again, thanks for the input everyone!
 
Thank you and the others for the input.
I'm done with my P2P training and waiting for the stars (and schedules) to align for the in-person meetup in base to make it official.
I'll start at that and see where it leads.
Once again, thanks for the input everyone!
P2P? If you don't hear a good rumor by 10am to pass along, make it up.


I was gonna haze you no matter what. Thank God you're not safety.
 
The Safety Committee: where AV Club geeks go when they get to the airlines.
Safety committee regional pilot, where your first act at helping your fellow pilots is to help your resume and help yourself leave.

Safety committee mainline pilot, you got the memo this is probably your last interview but you still want something in your back pocket just in case you need to separate yourself from the pack.

Safery committee, because real pilots wanna geek out at an airport by driving there and talking to the tech who maintains the RF antennas.

Safety committe, because you can't read the contract or the fom and youre proud of it

-, because real pilots got tired of your war stories and the fire and rescue guys genuinely like hearing about that austin overnight

-, because you like having long lists of things that will never get done

-, because the quarterly crash prep at your fav outstation is right up your alley.

-, because this job is all about safety, and you don't wanna keep current.
 
Safety committee regional pilot, where your first act at helping your fellow pilots is to help your resume and help yourself leave.

Safety committee mainline pilot, you got the memo this is probably your last interview but you still want something in your back pocket just in case you need to separate yourself from the pack.

Safery committee, because real pilots wanna geek out at an airport by driving there and talking to the tech who maintains the RF antennas.

Safety committe, because you can't read the contract or the fom and youre proud of it

-, because real pilots got tired of your war stories and the fire and rescue guys genuinely like hearing about that austin overnight

-, because you like having long lists of things that will never get done

-, because the quarterly crash prep at your fav outstation is right up your alley.

-, because this job is all about safety, and you don't wanna keep current.
I'd probably be an alcoholic if I were in that end of the business (either Company or Association), tbqh.
 
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