When they say "leave your personal belongings", they must be talking to someone else.

[gotWXdagain]

If it's a little personal item stashed under the seat and you grab it that's one thing, but when you're going for your overhead roll-a-board, no. But only then if you've got your wallet/essentials in that bag.

I swear they need a new rule that requires an overhead bin lockout, if any exit is opened before the lockout is disarmed, the overhead bins don't open.

 

[Lawman]

If it's a little personal item stashed under the seat and you grab it that's one thing, but when you're going for your overhead roll-a-board, no. But only then if you've got your wallet/essentials in that bag.

I swear they need a new rule that requires an overhead bin lockout, if any exit is opened before the lockout is disarmed, the overhead bins don't open.

My wife always wondered why I wouldn’t put my coat, wallet, passport etc in a bin or under the seat until takeoff is complete. I explained to her the panic and process of unass-ing the plane (at the time in a foreign country) and how I didn’t want to be that dude stuck and screwed in Frankfurt or Paris with no money, no ID, and no phone after all the smoke clears.


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[averettpilot]

Until they start prosecuting people, what do we expect?

 

[Screaming_Emu]

My wife always wondered why I wouldn’t put my coat, wallet, passport etc in a bin or under the seat until takeoff is complete. I explained to her the panic and process of unass-ing the plane (at the time in a foreign country) and how I didn’t want to be that dude stuck and screwed in Frankfurt or Paris with no money, no ID, and no phone after all the smoke clears.


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Also shoes

 

[ChasenSFO]

To be honest, I usually travel with just a backpack, and if it is under my feet, I'd probably just put it on. It's not going to affect the evac if I've already got it strapped on when I get up from the seat. No different than a purse really. Now, if I have it in an overhead bin, that is another story. But seeing people with backpacks or an item like that slung over their shoulder doesn't look as inappropriate as a roller bag IMO. Again, assuming these pax had it handy and didn't hold up evac digging in the bins for it or putting it on. Just don't see the point in losing all my stuff potentially if it won't hold anybody else up or get in the way(I'm not talking big travel sized backpacks).

Also shoes

But not pants. Those may understandably come off during evac.

 

[NovemberEcho]

But not pants. Those may understandably come off during evac.

 

[MikeD]

Queue up the tape of the freighter where the flight crew were throwing their carry-ons out through the emergency exit during evac...

Fedex 647? Landing accident in 2003 of the MD-10 at MEM? Crewmembers wasting time in smoke/fire environment chucking bags and Christmas gifts out the L-1 door rather than egressing.

"....Evaluation of a witness-provided videotape of the emergency evacuation showed that about 152 seconds passed between the time that the first and last occupant exited the burning airplane. During this time, the crewmembers did not evacuate the airplane in an uninterrupted flow. Although the captain and cockpit jumpseat nonrevenue pilot evacuated relatively quickly, the videotape showed delays between subsequent evacuating crewmembers. During these delays, the escape ropes were available but unused, and several pieces of baggage were thrown from the airplane. The elapsed time between successive crewmembers exiting the airplane was as much as 63 seconds. During postaccident interviews, several crewmembers reported that they were offloading bags while they waited in line to exit the airplane through the cockpit exits. During subsequent documentation of the cockpit, jumpseat, and cargo compartments, investigators found no crewmember baggage. It is evident that the delays were the result of the offloading of crewmembers personal bags and not because they were waiting for other crewmembers to exit or had difficulty using the cockpit egress system. The Safety Board concludes that most of the FedEx pilots on board the accident airplane showed poor judgment and exposed themselves to unnecessary risk when they delayed their evacuation from a burning airplane to salvage personal items.

After the accident, FedEx issued a bulletin to crewmembers that stated, .During an emergency evacuation each crewmember and jumpseater will evacuate in the most expeditious manner possible. No one will take an unnecessary risk by taking time to salvage personal articles.. This bulletin articulated a policy similar to the policy that passenger-carrying air carriers have expressed to passengers for years."

The NTSB and Fedex weren't too happy with it either.

All kinds of stuff came out of that one. Such as available manifests for personnel onboard cargo aircraft. ATC holding/delaying ARFF response for normal landing traffic that was a good few miles out still, and some other related things.

 

[Lawman]

My wife always wondered why I wouldn’t put my coat, wallet, passport etc in a bin or under the seat until takeoff is complete. I explained to her the panic and process of unass-ing the plane (at the time in a foreign country) and how I didn’t want to be that dude stuck and screwed in Frankfurt or Paris with no money, no ID, and no phone after all the smoke clears.


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Also shoes

Honestly if you’re taking your shoes off not over 1 of 4 (oh wait they decided there are 5 now) Oceans screw you...


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[skatergeek]

99.9% of the time right after I board my iPad comes out and I start reading. I could see my self bringing it along in an evac since I’m already holding it but who knows.

 

[Markf64]

If it's a little personal item stashed under the seat and you grab it that's one thing, but when you're going for your overhead roll-a-board, no. But only then if you've got your wallet/essentials in that bag.

I swear they need a new rule that requires an overhead bin lockout, if any exit is opened before the lockout is disarmed, the overhead bins don't open.

This sounds like a great idea....sadly, my first thought was all the lawsuits on behalf of people who died trying to open bins during a real emegency.

 

[gotWXdagain]

If it's a little personal item stashed under the seat and you grab it that's one thing, but when you're going for your overhead roll-a-board, no. But only then if you've got your wallet/essentials in that bag.

I swear they need a new rule that requires an overhead bin lockout, if any exit is opened before the lockout is disarmed, the overhead bins don't open.

This sounds like a great idea....sadly, my first thought was all the lawsuits on behalf of people who died trying to open bins during a real emegency.

They were notified.

 

[Markf64]

Never stopped lawsuits before.

 

[mrivc211]

At least it wasnt Allegiant this time

I have a feeling there wont be as many Allegiant fiascos now that their airbus' are on property.

 

[Kingairer]

Until they start prosecuting people, what do we expect?

Public beatings.

 

[derg]

I’m not saying it’s not a commercially available bag. All of our stuff is not CIF issue.

I’m saying that dude is meeting all the classic giveaways of “guy in the Army traveling on orders but not in uniform.” To that same point if there is a bonus spot on this table I’d put 500 in chips on him being an E6/E7.

It’s like being in Garrisonville VA... you see a guy in a tucked in polo and slacks with a sunburn about 2 inches below his way to high hair line... that’s a Marine Office Candidate on weekend liberty. Just no way to hide it.


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So it's like playing "Spot the Federal Air Marshall" or "Deadheading Pilot"?

I'm pretty good at that!

 

[Lawman]

I’m not saying it’s not a commercially available bag. All of our stuff is not CIF issue.

I’m saying that dude is meeting all the classic giveaways of “guy in the Army traveling on orders but not in uniform.” To that same point if there is a bonus spot on this table I’d put 500 in chips on him being an E6/E7.

It’s like being in Garrisonville VA... you see a guy in a tucked in polo and slacks with a sunburn about 2 inches below his way to high hair line... that’s a Marine Office Candidate on weekend liberty. Just no way to hide it.


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So it's like playing "Spot the Federal Air Marshall" or "Deadheading Pilot"?

I'm pretty good at that!

After the shooting at the Frankfurt airport where the dude targeted the rotator of new guys coming in to country, there was a push by US Army Forces Europe to “try to blend in,” with no guidance beyond that.

And in typical knee jerk fashion it was the most asinine policy of “you can’t wear your uniform off post even to travel to and from work.” So that led to intentionally foo-kery by all involved of “blending in” wearing the most obnoxious civilian attire possible because let’s face it the locals know who we are. So after a week of Hawaiian shirts and Tap Out sleeveless muscle shirts, sanity returned. It was a fun few days though.


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