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Adler said:
Hands down, (unless you’re Rohingya) the Burmese are the most friendly people I have ever come across. They have no money, but will buy your meal just so you will talk to them about the world. Accidentally hand a lady more money than she’ll earn in a day, and walk away, and she’ll chase you down the street to give you your change. The government...that has some work, but Myanmar’s, yea not a place I’d be concerned about. Hell I’d be excited to get to go back.
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I’ve never been to Myanmar, and I obviously wouldn’t hesitate to land an airplane there that had a fire indication. But the question then is, who is committing genocide against the Rohingya people? Obviously it’s not the Rohingya themselves. From Wiki ‘For most of its independent years, the country has been engrossed in rampant ethnic strife and its myriad ethnic groups have been involved in one of the world’s longest running ongoing civil wars.’

The genocide against the Rohingya at this point is way more than a news story.

Genuinely trying to understand as this situation is getting a lot of much needed attention lately.
 
Louie1975 said:
I’ve never been to Myanmar, and I obviously wouldn’t hesitate to land an airplane there that had a fire indication. But the question then is, who is committing genocide against the Rohingya people? Obviously it’s not the Rohingya themselves. From Wiki ‘For most of its independent years, the country has been engrossed in rampant ethnic strife and its myriad ethnic groups have been involved in one of the world’s longest running ongoing civil wars.’

The genocide against the Rohingya at this point is way more than a news story.

Genuinely trying to understand as this situation is getting a lot of much needed attention lately.
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It’s particularly tragic that Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi is directly responsible for this genocide.
 
Louie1975 said:
I’ve never been to Myanmar, and I obviously wouldn’t hesitate to land an airplane there that had a fire indication. But the question then is, who is committing genocide against the Rohingya people? Obviously it’s not the Rohingya themselves. From Wiki ‘For most of its independent years, the country has been engrossed in rampant ethnic strife and its myriad ethnic groups have been involved in one of the world’s longest running ongoing civil wars.’

The genocide against the Rohingya at this point is way more than a news story.

Genuinely trying to understand as this situation is getting a lot of much needed attention lately.
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If you're not Rohingya in Myanmar, you'll be more than fine. If you're not an idiot typical American abroad in most countries, even ones that rather hate us like Saudi, you'll be fine.
 
ppragman said:
It’s particularly tragic that Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi is directly responsible for this genocide.
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My understanding is that she isn't directly responsible, but rather being condemned by the international community because after years of fighting for justice she's now started singing the Everything's Awesome song, and people realized it was just about justice for her people, and not everyone.

But I really haven't been following it as closely as I should be.
 
z987k said:
We understand. You're scared of some rather friendly people because you read a news report online but have never been like a few of us have.
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Ahh, it's cute that you think the only source of intel I have access to, comes from a google search.

@Cherokee_Cruiser based on your response, I'm not sure you know what I fly. But thats okay, I don't expect you to memorize everyone on here and what they fly, or whatever their connection to aviation is.
 
A1TAPE said:
Umm why would you need nosewell access? I mean I guess if you had to confirm a gear down but thats the only situation I can think of. Other than a emergency evacuation down the nosewell if you cant get out thru the main doors.
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z987k said:
Louie1975 said:
I’ve never been to Myanmar, and I obviously wouldn’t hesitate to land an airplane there that had a fire indication. But the question then is, who is committing genocide against the Rohingya people? Obviously it’s not the Rohingya themselves. From Wiki ‘For most of its independent years, the country has been engrossed in rampant ethnic strife and its myriad ethnic groups have been involved in one of the world’s longest running ongoing civil wars.’

The genocide against the Rohingya at this point is way more than a news story.

Genuinely trying to understand as this situation is getting a lot of much needed attention lately.
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If you're not Rohingya in Myanmar, you'll be more than fine. If you're not an idiot typical American abroad in most countries, even ones that rather hate us like Saudi, you'll be fine.
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All that oil money and cheap weapons have to come from somewhere.
 
BobDDuck said:
My understanding is that she isn't directly responsible, but rather being condemned by the international community because after years of fighting for justice she's now started singing the Everything's Awesome song, and people realized it was just about justice for her people, and not everyone.

But I really haven't been following it as closely as I should be.
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I'm mean she's basically the prime minister (state counsellor) of Myanmar...
 
ChasenSFO said:
Profits > Human life. Says it all right there.
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I mean, yeah? Capitalism is about the commoditization of everything - why should human life be any different under that framework? Not saying I agree, but when you base an entire political and economic framework around the pursuit of profit and the reduction of costs, it becomes pretty evident that if the cost of safety is more than the cost of just letting a few pilots die, we are gonna do let them die.

This has played out time after time in nearly every industry. The people that own the “means of production” don’t give a crap about those who use those means to make money for them. It was true when Upton Sinclair was around and it’s true now.
 
jhugz said:
I believe he’s being sarcastic. We all know that the LiOn batteries lit off and continued to burn. Lobbyists and airlines tried hard to spin the narrative into we don’t know what kind of fire could bring down a 74 with fire suppression activated but we can’t prove it was LiOn batteries. So we now can keep shipping unsafe amounts in cargo aircraft because no one cares that a couple freight dawgs died. Profits over safety.
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Had to go fish a laptop out of a valet bag the other day; pax forgot it was in there. We have the standard Class C cargo firefighting for our bins, but that's not good enough--they are not allowed to ride in an area where we cannot fight the fire using direct physical means.

If we're not allowed to carry them in a place where we can't fight such a fire, why are you allowed to drive around with a literal planeload of them and no firefighting beyond "let's let the air out and hope it works?"

One level of safety, indeed.
 
It's gonna take another big fiery crash before anything changes. Have seen it with GPWS and TCAS. If UPS flight 6 had taken out an urban area in Dubai I don't think we'd be talking about this...
 
DE727UPS said:
It's gonna take another big fiery crash before anything changes. Have seen it with GPWS and TCAS. If UPS flight 6 had taken out an urban area in Dubai I don't think we'd be talking about this...
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There's additionally already been FedEx 1406, UPS 1307.......undetermined, but what else would necessarily spontaneously combust. Don't know how many of these it will take.
 
If you look at the hazmat table a majority of the hazmat is forbidden on pax planes but are just fine on a cargo op. Its like yea the lives of 2 pilots and a ton of boxes are less than a pax plane crash. UNLESS that cargo plane happens to crash into a major urban area and wipe out more on the ground.
 
A1TAPE said:
If you look at the hazmat table a majority of the hazmat is forbidden on pax planes but are just fine on a cargo op. Its like yea the lives of 2 pilots and a ton of boxes are less than a pax plane crash. UNLESS that cargo plane happens to crash into a major urban area and wipe out more on the ground.
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It makes you think. If you found yourself in that situation where you're 15 seconds from dead and you know it. Due to a lithium fire.
To minimize loss of life do you crash it into the residential neighborhood killing innocents but forcing the regulators hand and saving many many more in the future or the correct and ethically right thing and put it in the unpopulated field and die for the profits of the company?
And which saves more lives?
We all know we're going to lose more planes to lithium fires. Statistically it won't be me so I can rationalize it.
 
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