Must have missed this story last year. Alaska pilot allegedly drugged and raped.

ShortField said:
Would you yell “Don’t touch my heading bug!” With each swing?
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Me? No - I’m probably the captain getting his ass beat!

But my rage-yell would be, “stop passive aggressively reaching over and putting your hands next to the next thing to do on the profile when you don’t think I’ve done it where you would even though the profile says to do it where I am going to!”
 
av8tr1 said:
Well our Ompa Lompa in charge seems to think Due Process isn’t important. So yeah let’s just believe anything anyone says and crucify anyone accused before we hear thier side of the story. How many women recently have been outed of fraudulently claiming rape after regretting sleeping with someone.

Not saying that’s the case here but let’s at least get his side of the story before we burn him on a stake.

If true frack yeah let’s fry his ass but if this is a misunderstanding or it didn’t happen the way she is claiming then people need to proceed carefully.

There are some fishy things to her story. And interestingly no criminal complaint. Only one to the union and apparently no complaint to her employer until her lawyer filed suit. Also Alaska is the defendant not the male pilot. What’s up with that?

I’d like to understand why her first call wasn’t to 911 rather than dispatch and then her union.

It’s possible that there is a completely understandable reason for how she handled it just seems weird to me.
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I once went to the chief FA because one of the FAs I was flying with was downright embarrassing, rude, out of line on the trip. I told her repeatedly to tone it down. After I went to the chief FA, she retaliated by claiming I groped her. They did an investigation and quickly determined she was lying and fired her, and fired the other FA for helping her lie. My FO threatened to quit if they even thought about siding with the two FAs that we’re lying thru their teeth. This all happened before I was even informed. Left a bad taste in my mouth. After that, I never wanted to get involved in any situation in fear of crap being made up about me. If it happened to me, it can happen to anymore
 
Stone Cold said:
Are you saying the guy doesn't deserve due process? Definitely, put the guy on admin leave and don't let him fly, but to say the guy doesn't deserve due process? Hmmm...
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Due process for a private employer? Worse case scenario it was rape. Or it was consensual, in which case a 50 yr old married man with kids cheated on his wife with a 39 yr old. There are no winners here.

There's a lot to this story. While she didn't immediately call 911 that night, she reported the incident to the company and the union right about the 45-48 hr mark (within 2 days). The end result of that so far has resulted in this lawsuit.



The industry mind set is always support the CA, never throw him under the bus. All interview questions are set up as such. What if you see a CA come downstairs wearing a dress? You're supposed to recognize that's a female CA. Or it could be a male CA cross-dressing, either way, it's a stupid and irrelevant question that doesn't mean a thing. What do you expect me to do, run away? Then there's the pilot caught drinking inside the 10 or 12 hr rule, what do you do? The whole don't throw anyone under the bus thing comes up again. Encourage him to call out sick, make sure he doesn't fly the next day, get him help through HIMS, get pro standards to help, and even to the point of you (the FO) calling out sick to not fly with him if the CA insists on flying. That's how the "system" is set up.

I don't blame her for not calling 911 right away. In retrospect articles say she recognizes that she aboslutely should have called 911. Even if not, I think she did the right thing to report the incident to the company and union within 48 hrs. New, on probation, new to the civilian industry, I think her actions are about what could have been expected.


"Of good moral character" used to be a thing. Technically it still is, to get an ATP. And as I already stated, even the best case scenario is he cheated on his wife. Worse case, well....
 
av8tr1 said:
Well our Ompa Lompa in charge seems to think Due Process isn’t important. So yeah let’s just believe anything anyone says and crucify anyone accused before we hear thier side of the story. How many women recently have been outed of fraudulently claiming rape after regretting sleeping with someone.

Not saying that’s the case here but let’s at least get his side of the story before we burn him on a stake.

If true frack yeah let’s fry his ass but if this is a misunderstanding or it didn’t happen the way she is claiming then people need to proceed carefully.

There are some fishy things to her story. And interestingly no criminal complaint. Only one to the union and apparently no complaint to her employer until her lawyer filed suit. Also Alaska is the defendant not the male pilot. What’s up with that?

I’d like to understand why her first call wasn’t to 911 rather than dispatch and then her union.

It’s possible that there is a completely understandable reason for how she handled it just seems weird to me.
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What exactly about her story do you find fishy? This isn't a first for this type of thing going down at an airline. Im curious as to what you find "fishy" about it.
 
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SeanD said:
What exactly about her story do you find fishy? This isn't a first for this type of thing going down at an airline. Im curious as to what you find "fishy" about it.
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I say it clearly right in my post. Right after I said there are some fishy things about her story. Recommend you reread my post. I’m not saying she’s lying. I’m not saying he didn’t do it. I’m saying I do not understand how she handled things. So I have questions. As we all should. Hence the need for “Due Process”.

There is a reason we have innocence before guilt. So we can get all or as much of the facts clear before passing judgement. We don’t have all the facts. So let’s get them.
 
av8tr1 said:
I say it clearly right in my post. Right after I said there are some fishy things about her story. Recommend you reread my post. I’m not saying she’s lying. I’m not saying he didn’t do it. I’m saying I do not understand how she handled things. So I have questions. As we all should. Hence the need for “Due Process”.

There is a reason we have innocence before guilt. So we can get all or as much of the facts clear before passing judgement. We don’t have all the facts. So let’s get them.
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Her not calling the cops right away doesn't strike me as "fishy". She followed a protocol she believed was the right thing to do. She said it took her a little time to understand exactly what happened due to whatever drugs she was given. She admitted that and said if she was certain right away she would have contacted the authorities. It makes complete sense to me. You're basically reading the headline and skimming through the articles.
 
Derg said:
jtrain609 said:
I'm not a judge, this isn't a court room.

Alaska has every chance to defend their behavior, because they're the ones being named in the claim, not the captain. My guess is that her attorney will argue that Alaska has a duty to protect employees from sexual assault, which they failed here. Only a guess on my part, though.
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I do know a guy who beat up his captain on a layover and kept his job. And strangely it wasn't the first time.
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I TOLD YOU IT WAS MY LEG!!


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SeanD said:
Her not calling the cops right away doesn't strike me as "fishy". She followed a protocol she believed was the right thing to do. She said it took her a little time to understand exactly what happened due to whatever drugs she was given. She admitted that and said if she was certain right away she would have contacted the authorities. It makes complete sense to me. You're basically reading the headline and skimming through the articles.
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No I read the whole article. Now you can read minds too.....

Here’s an idea, why don’t you read the minds of our founding fathers so you can understand why it’s important to get all the “facts” before finding the accused guilty.

I wouldn’t wish a false allegation on my worst enemy. It’s life destroying. So before we destroy someone’s life we have a responsibility to investigate all the claims. Neither I nor you have any idea what happened that night. So let’s let the investigation happen and see where the chips lie after the investigation rather than just accept any claim someone makes against another.
 
SeanD said:
Her not calling the cops right away doesn't strike me as "fishy". She followed a protocol she believed was the right thing to do. She said it took her a little time to understand exactly what happened due to whatever drugs she was given. She admitted that and said if she was certain right away she would have contacted the authorities. It makes complete sense to me. You're basically reading the headline and skimming through the articles.
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Don’t you find it unusual that the alleged rapist isn’t named as a defendant in the suit? Just Alaska Airlines?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Why is there such a negative reaction to demands for due process? This country is going downhill fast.
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Scary isn’t it? It’s almost like people are clambering for us to return to a monarchy? Where the king can just do as he pleases. Regardless of any law. Regardless of fairness. Regardless of right and wrong.

People just want us to be slaves of the government without any control over our destiny.

The founders were right, we will give more blood against tyranny over and over. Oh and what the hell are people learning (or not learning) in civics classes??????
 
av8tr1 said:
Scary isn’t it? It’s almost like people are clambering for us to return to a monarchy? Where the king can just do as he pleases. Regardless of any law. Regardless of fairness. Regardless of right and wrong.

People just want us to be slaves of the government without any control over our destiny.

The founders were right, we will give more blood against tyranny over and over. Oh and what the hell are people learning (or not learning) in civics classes??????
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:rolleyes:

Well, that's enough internet for tonight.
 
av8tr1 said:
So let me make sure I got this straight. You think that a citizen who has been accused of a crime should not get their right to defend themselves? That we should just accept any complaint as fact and punish them accordingly?
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Never said anything related to that or my opinion. I can see how you draw yourself to that conclusion after that foolishly comical comment you just made. Which I replied to, because it was hilarious.
 
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