gotWXdagain
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Present position.
How to throw yourself under the bus
- Thread starter NovemberEcho
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ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
One would think so but most of the time when you get that clearance you’re well below the minimum IFR altitude for an area.
NovemberEcho
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Well technically they're supposed to ask if you can maintain terrain and obstruction clearance first. If you say yes, then you're IFR as soon as they give it. Otherwise it would be upon entering controlled airspace.
Stinger
Well-Known Member
If you have an IFR clearance filed from an airport you depart from VFR, and then call when you're airborne to pick up the IFR, telling the pilot to "maintain your own terrain and obstruction clearance" is pointless if the controller is clearing you as you filed. It's the pilot's responsibility to not file a route they can't legally fly in some manner.
EDIT: And unless the pilot tells me they can't or I have reason to assume the pilot can't climb VFR to the minimum IFR altitude, the "terrain and obstruction" verbiage isn't necessary.
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yes
Ok Skylar.
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
How ironic
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
Tell my mother to call me sometime.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Don't ya think?
Just a little bit, I really do think...
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
The best I ever got was a no-call that went around the whole terminal, but didn't effect anything, so no harm no foul. A few minutes later:
"Ramp?"
"Go ahead"
"Hey, did we cut anyone off or cause any incursions or anything we just realized we never called then taxied all the way around the backside of the terminal".
"Negative"
"OK so are you going to report it"
*silence*
"Ramp, 123"
"Go ahead"
"Are you going to report it?"
*silence*
"This is Ops 4, what's going on?"
"Hey are you going to report us coming into the ramp and around the terminal off frequency? We don't come here much we missed it on the charts and I know one plane had the beacon on and wing walkers out"
"Ops 4 copies all"
Damn it. Idiot. But me and my coworker laughed our asses(you can totally say the plural form of ass on here) off at it.
"Ramp?"
"Go ahead"
"Hey, did we cut anyone off or cause any incursions or anything we just realized we never called then taxied all the way around the backside of the terminal".
"Negative"
"OK so are you going to report it"
*silence*
"Ramp, 123"
"Go ahead"
"Are you going to report it?"
*silence*
"This is Ops 4, what's going on?"
"Hey are you going to report us coming into the ramp and around the terminal off frequency? We don't come here much we missed it on the charts and I know one plane had the beacon on and wing walkers out"
"Ops 4 copies all"
Damn it. Idiot. But me and my coworker laughed our asses(you can totally say the plural form of ass on here) off at it.
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
The only time I'll regularly give out the number is for blatant Class B violations (you'd be amazed how many people fly through the B squawking 1200 then call for FF on the other side) and for people who completely jack up the Ruudy departure off TEB and climb into the EWR final.
A300Capt
Freight Dawg
ATC has been pretty cool with my blunders over the years.
Was doing IOE on a new f/o many moons ago on the A300. Believe we were going into Philly or Newark when all the new RNAV arrivals started popping up and "descend via" was becoming all the rage the cool kids were using. It was early morning around 4a and everyone was half asleep. A discussion ensued between me and the f/o about profile (VNAV), crossing constraints, tailwinds, chicks, blah, blah...
Well, about halfway down this STAR I could tell we were gonna be high by several hundred feet on the crossing due to a number of factors. I key the mic to let ATC know we wouldn't make it but didn't figure it to be an problem since nobody else seem to be on the freq at that time of day. He's reply, "Yea, ok...But, you missed the last one too!"
Ooops, sorry about that....Ummm, is this gonna be an "issue"? Him: "Nope". NASA and ASAP filed anyway. Lesson learned. Thanks guys!
Was doing IOE on a new f/o many moons ago on the A300. Believe we were going into Philly or Newark when all the new RNAV arrivals started popping up and "descend via" was becoming all the rage the cool kids were using. It was early morning around 4a and everyone was half asleep. A discussion ensued between me and the f/o about profile (VNAV), crossing constraints, tailwinds, chicks, blah, blah...
Well, about halfway down this STAR I could tell we were gonna be high by several hundred feet on the crossing due to a number of factors. I key the mic to let ATC know we wouldn't make it but didn't figure it to be an problem since nobody else seem to be on the freq at that time of day. He's reply, "Yea, ok...But, you missed the last one too!"
Ooops, sorry about that....Ummm, is this gonna be an "issue"? Him: "Nope". NASA and ASAP filed anyway. Lesson learned. Thanks guys!
DeltaAlphaNovember
Well-Known Member
Back in my student pilot days, pre-911, flying out of Andrews AFB, I forgot to turn on my transponder. The controller was really cool about it. Lesson learned and never repeated.
NovemberEcho
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Attitude is everything. 99% of the time if you just say sorry my bad you won't get a number to call, and even if you do it'll usually just be so the sup can hear what happened but nothing will come of it. If you're argumentative about it then there's a much higher chance of it being escalated.
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
I want you to transfer to Oakland and work the sector that covers AUN.