TrustMeI'maPilot
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What in the world are you talking about? Did you actually look around the system at awarded schedules before posting that? Just curious, is this your first part 121 company?
TA ratified at Endeavor!
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What in the world are you talking about? Did you actually look around the system at awarded schedules before posting that? Just curious, is this your first part 121 company?
This is the only aviation forum I visit. The others are so full of trash and rabble rabble, I can't take it.
KSCessnaDriver
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Yeah, I did, sure they don't have many 11 day off lines in December, but no company is pushing their pilots hard in December. In my opinion the union has been very NYC centric for a bit, but that's going to start shifting with people moving on. You think the company is magically going to be able to operate with all the reserves on one less day of flying, without accounting for it somewhere? I'd bet the number of 30+ hour sits is going to skyrocket, allowing them to use line holders as a defacto reserve.
What does it matter if this is my first 121 gig? By no means am I saying what we got is a bad deal. It is what it is, and we will find out how we did with it over the next 12 months. Honestly, I don't think it really matters, next summer the entire regional industry is going to be in full meltdown.
KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
And this one isn't? Its just which brand of trash you want to read...
No, it's not even close.
If you don't like it, no one is begging you to stay. The people here make this place. Hell, I was offered a place to crash on a road trip one time, and another with no timeline when I was going through my divorce. I had numerous people checking up on me from here during it. A lot of us don't agree with each other on a lot of things. But I'd offer my couch to the large majority here if they needed it.
TrustMeI'maPilot
Well-Known Member
It matters because you don’t know what you don’t know. Talk to guys at some of the other top regionals. Many companies you only get 12-13 days off even if you’re top 15% in base, even in December. What does that get you here, at least 20+ days off right?
Also you’re not making any sense when it comes to reserves getting 12 days off. First of all, there will be no issue on the FO side. They rarely get used as is, adding a day off won’t change anything. But on the captain side, why would they throw a 30 hour sit on a schedule because of reserve coverage? What, so the company can use that captain as a reserve to cover what he would have otherwise been awarded on that day?
Remember, regardless of what you’ve been told, the 30 hour sits are not to help reserve coverage, it was okayed by the union because it actually gives line holders an extra day off in the month. Don’t ask me the math because I don’t understand it, but that’s why it was approved.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Good to see the “my Regional sucks worse than yours” threads are alive and well.
KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
I'm saying line holders will get 30 hour sits more and more, not reserves. I'm saying because reserves get another day off, line holders will be used more and more on those 30 hour sits to fill in. And yes, I've been at other carriers, both 121 and 135. Both of them make Mesa look like a Golden Goose. I have friends at many regionals, they all suck equally, just it comes down to where the sucking occurs.
I'll be the first to admit I voted no, but I'm in no way upset that it passed. I would have really liked to see a legitimate solid fleet commitment and better reserve rules. I had no issues with the pay rates.
TrustMeI'maPilot
Well-Known Member
I know that’s what your saying, I’m saying it doesn’t make sense. The flights have to be covered by someone. You can’t simultaneously give reserves an extra day off and have line holders essentially off sitting in a hotel as a “reserve”. Who will operate the flights the line holder would otherwise have flown on that day? The captain sitting in the hotel? Why not just put it in the pairing to begin with? Would be pretty dumb of them to do that. And no they can’t just put an extra throwaway day on each pairing because 5 days are capped at 5% of total trips.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Life must be rough, especially with that new unfair SJI internal pilot program and now this.
TrustMeI'maPilot
Well-Known Member
I’m sorry but this line of thinking drives me nuts, you know this wasn’t a JCBA right? It was an LOA, it’ll be the 88th one since the JCBA was signed. There will probably be at least 6 more LOA’s signed next year, some will probably improve reserve rules. The only point of this LOA was to turn the bonus into pay rate, the rest was a great add on. You were willing to throw away industry leading pay because of things that weren’t even really going to be on the table now but will be next? That’s called having your cake and eating too.
Besides all that, with this LOA, reserves get 12 days off now and Long Call is back with much tighter regulation. How is that not an improvement?
KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
If the LOA was only about converting bonus to pay rates, why did we give up co-domicile? I'm not saying it's not an improvement. I'm saying we could have done better had we waited, IMO.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Congrats to the Endeavor guys for the new contract!
phill1174
Well-Known Member
Nope, there’s seldom disagreements in the lav and the occasional troll but this forum 10X better than the other “pilot forum”, where I sometimes wonder if some members are old enough to even have a drivers permit.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
APC makes this place look like the Garden of Eden.
drupilot54
Well-Known Member
Honestly there were about 3 options:
1) We could have voted this down and DL would have come back to the table and said lets negotiate better. (Please don't laugh at me for saying this)
2) DL could have said, "screw you guys for voting it down" and could have potentially gave away the extra planes we are guaranteed now to another carrier
3) It gets passed, now DL has to keep negotiating with us for another few years.
Truly, i also thought that this was a crap deal in the beginning because we are giving them co-domicile for the current pay rate. Then i realized i was looking on a very short term goal and not understanding the negotiation process. Now look at it this way, we are currently getting very good rates compared to other carriers, in fact topping out or matching many others in almost every category except per diem. This TA was MAINLY to get the Bridge Agreement, convert the bonus into straight pay and to get the positive space second flight.
There will be more LOA's coming to keep improving so its not like all of the baskets are in one egg. There are plenty of negotiation points that we still have. Although a quick question for you if you dont mind me asking but where are you based?
I remember like it was yesterday going to the hotel the night before the bankruptcy contract vote closed making close to 50/hr and going to work the next day making 38/hr as a 7th year FO. Now just a few years later new hires are making much more then I was at 7 years. Congrats to the 9E guys on setting the new bar in the industry.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
I don’t remember the details but I remember losing money on the crj200 captain payrates overnight as well.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Who called it a success? Management? Because it was a success to them.