Wanna pilot job at Delta?

Seggy said:
Wait, wait, wait, wait....your pilot group has a guaranteed interview, but you (they) are complaining because Delta wants to possibly make it easier to bring their own employees onto the pilot seniority ranks?
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Not they, for some reason some in our pilot group thought flow was coming with this TA and are very vocal online. To me this seems more as appeasement to them.

The rest of us see it for what it is, no big deal.
 
Cloud Surfer said:
Apparently in the mind of several Endeavor pilots, they already are at Delta. :rolleyes: I don't agree with flows or promised interviews. They only serve to foster laziness. Everyone is in competition and must prove that they are worthy of being hired. You make the cut or you don't, simple as that.
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This is the current system:


Interview and be hired to fly passengers who bought tickets on Brand X Airlines
Sub-standard pay, scheduling practices, insurance, everything.


[passage of time]


Apply for jobs


[passage of time]


Interview and be hired to fly passengers who bought tickets on Brand X Airlines
Better pay, scheduling practices, insurance, everything.


​
Do you think that this system makes sense?

Will it withstand the test of time as pilots become more of a hot commodity?

Would a single interview system, and ideally, a single interview for a single employer, streamline and improve efficiency for both parties?


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Nick said:
This is the current system:


Interview and be hired to fly passengers who bought tickets on Brand X Airlines
Sub-standard pay, scheduling practices, insurance, everything.


[passage of time]


Apply for jobs


[passage of time]


Interview and be hired to fly passengers who bought tickets on Brand X Airlines
Better pay, scheduling practices, insurance, everything.


​
Do you think that this system makes sense?

Will it withstand the test of time as pilots become more of a hot commodity?

Would a single interview system, and ideally, a single interview for a single employer, streamline and improve efficiency for both parties?


.
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There is nothing wrong with the current system. There are x amount of pilots and only a limited supply of y mainline jobs, thus there is no reason to offer a flow to regional subcontractors. Mainline is saving enormously in terms of labor costs, gains some liability protection, and is able to provide greater frequency of flights by farming out the flying to smaller subcontractors. Each airline also has their own standards for candidates which they have the right to demand out of their applicants, so being able to hire from a variety of regionals, military, part 135 and so on suits their purposes better than a flow. Delta and United want candidates of a certain high caliber. American is by and large inducting into its ranks whoever works for their regional affiliates. Who will possess a more accomplished pilot-group in time? The airline which hires based on high achievements, or the airline which deems association with a regional partner important?
 
Seggy said:
Wait, wait, wait, wait....your pilot group has a guaranteed interview, but you (they) are complaining because Delta wants to possibly make it easier to bring their own employees onto the pilot seniority ranks?
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No, they're complaining because the DGI (guaranteed interview), has no contractual language. Similar to what the SSP did.
 
Once a specific legacy pilot, forever a specific legacy pilot except for cause ?
Seniority then rules employment position(s) until retirement ?
 
Nick said:
This is the current system:


Interview and be hired to fly passengers who bought tickets on Brand X Airlines
Sub-standard pay, scheduling practices, insurance, everything.


[passage of time]


Apply for jobs


[passage of time]


Interview and be hired to fly passengers who bought tickets on Brand X Airlines
Better pay, scheduling practices, insurance, everything.


​
Do you think that this system makes sense?

Will it withstand the test of time as pilots become more of a hot commodity?

Would a single interview system, and ideally, a single interview for a single employer, streamline and improve efficiency for both parties?


.
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The system increases profits for airlines and their shareholders, since outsourced labor at regional airlines is cheaper. So as far as the market is concerned it makes sense.

Is it fair to us as pilots? Perhaps not, but then few things in life are fair. Delta reserves the right to have whatever hiring requirements they seem appropriate, and if we we want to work there it is our responsibility to meet them.

I doubt pilots will become any more of a hot commodity than we are now, especially considering oil is unusually cheap and we are at an economic crest right now. Although if the pilot shortage hype turns out to be accurate, it would seem prudent for an airline to assist current employees who have proven themselves in other jobs so they can become pilots.
 
Jordan93 said:
Not that I wouldn’t like a flow but I know we won’t strong arm or convince Delta to do it.
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IF and that’s a YUUGE if we get a flow, we would probably have to give up a lot of other things. It’s just not going to happen though which is why I finished up my degree among doing other things to make myself competitive. If guys are wanting a flow that are coming in or just came in the best thing for them is to go to one of the AA WO’s. Guys seem to think we aren’t replaceable in this hiring climate, but don’t understand that we could be next ones watching our airplanes go to another regional.
 
TrustMeI'maPilot said:
Not they, for some reason some in our pilot group thought flow was coming with this TA and are very vocal online.
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ORLY?

Umm, tell your buddies that the last train has probably already left the station and it's time to get an Uber. Considering the data on the success rate of the SSP, just willy nilly opening the flood gates en masse would be a statistical curiosity.
 
Derg said:
ORLY?

Umm, tell your buddies that the last train has probably already left the station and it's time to get an Uber. Considering the data on the success rate of the SSP, just willy nilly opening the flood gates en masse would be a statistical curiosity.
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Trust me, the majority know this.
 
Cptnchia said:
I’d say not only would you have to convince Delta management, but the pilot group as well that a flow is a good thing.
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Convinced?

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No goalposts have moved, only the perception of the goalposts because of internet and pilot lounge misinformation.

Absolutely nothing has changed. Rest assured. Ah ah ah! It doesn't matter what you heard in the lounge or the crew shuttle! :)
 
Cptnchia said:
Well, in fairness, you don’t work for Delta. You are an employee of Endevour. Your company is a subcontractor for Delta. Just because your company may be owned by Delta, that means nothing. Ask any ASA or Comair pilot what their company being wholly owned by Delta actually means. Ask any DGS employee below upper management what it means.
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Yikes
 
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