Delta and ASA

The only time I had a CA say he wouldn't accommodate a JS was right after the PSA vote. His policy was never tested while I was on the trip, however.
 
JetDoc said:
Awful lot of assumptions there ace. Thanks for playing.
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Come on dude, you not read? I'll quote myself, I feel like all important in stuff:
Nark said:
Yes and no.

If you're angry that the FO's you used to fly with are leaving in droves to a legacy, and you're "stuck." I question to why you are stuck.
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I even highlighted it, in bold, for your referral.

Unless you're close to 60, I, again to paraphrase myself, question to why you see yourself as stuck.
Some people have a legitimate excuse as to not seek "higher" career progression. I'd argue, 99% of those people who are truly "stuck" don't moan about being "stuck."

I'd further submit, the loud mouth "stuck" aren't stuck, but haven't figure out how to make the next step. In spite of lengthy advice from every methods of media.


PS. even though I'm a combat military aviator, I cannot hold the title of Ace. I appreciate the compliment though, chief.
 
Nark said:
Yes and no.

If you're angry that the FO's you used to fly with are leaving in droves to a legacy, and you're "stuck." I question to why you are stuck.
No degree, that's on you, no one else.
Financially, can't "take the first year hit." Again, that's on you.
A few too many checkrides failures, DUI's etc.. again, that's on you.
Haven't bothered to update your log book in 12 years, see the pattern here?

Sure, their are legitimate reasons why someone can't move on from a regional. Most are self inflicted.
Most solutions take time, and as pilots we have little to no patience.
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Nark said:
Come on dude, you not read? I'll quote myself, I feel like all important in stuff:


I even highlighted it, in bold, for your referral.

Unless you're close to 60, I, again to paraphrase myself, question to why you see yourself as stuck.
Some people have a legitimate excuse as to not seek "higher" career progression. I'd argue, 99% of those people who are truly "stuck" don't moan about being "stuck."

I'd further submit, the loud mouth "stuck" aren't stuck, but haven't figure out how to make the next step. In spite of lengthy advice from every methods of media.


PS. even though I'm a combat military aviator, I cannot hold the title of Ace. I appreciate the compliment though, chief.
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I never said I was stuck.I stated that one should not through the term "angry lifer" around like it couldn't happen to them, the inference was on your part, I also prefer not to post in absolutes like I am the all seeing eye. It makes one seem arrogant and reeks of low self esteem. The fact of the the matter is that you simply do not know why an individual may consider themselves stuck. To assume that most are "self inflicted" is disingenuous. Socio-economic status. Putting their own kids through school. Caring for an elderly parent. Ever fill out an ASAP for an airframe limitation exceedance, clearance limit or altitude bust? Well, you just busted a check ride but as luck would have it, it wasn't a checking event and there wasn't a check airman, DPE or ASI on the jump. DUI? Already hired? No worries, we'll just HIMS the crap outa that. Looking for a gig though, sorry man, you are SOL but you can go fly this RJ for pennies on the dollar.. The complete and utter hypocrisy in this industry is astounding but you always seem to have all the answers so.... Thank you for you service. I was a maintainer in a previous life and you're welcome. I agree with you on one point though, Pilots do have little patience.
 
Yeah, there's angry lifers out there. I know some personally. I've flown with them, listened to the rants, pointed out how to fix the issues, and been told why they can't, or won't.

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I simply stated, you have to ask an angry lifer, why they're angry.
I then stated reasons why they're angry, that are self inflicted.

There are so many ladders around this place of dudes, helping others climb the career ladder, it makes any superstitious man anxious.

I bet Usain Bolt was told some point in his life, he'd have to run faster. He probably didn't bitch about it.
 
I remember back when Comair was getting Comaired, an ASA buddy said they were pretty insulated because the ASA agreement with Delta was something tied with gates or slots (or something) at Atlanta, so he made it sound like they were pretty safe. But Delta will always find a way, they've tanked regionals before in a heartbeat. Freedom, Comair, ASA. It's pretty crappy though that DL at OBAP would tell high time ASA FOs not to make a lateral move, to stay at ASA, and that they love ASA FOs. While that may have worked for *some* people, the majority that took that advice are now hosed.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I remember back when Comair was getting Comaired, an ASA buddy said they were pretty insulated because the ASA agreement with Delta was something tied with gates or slots (or something) at Atlanta, so he made it sound like they were pretty safe. But Delta will always find a way, they've tanked regionals before in a heartbeat. Freedom, Comair, ASA. It's pretty crappy though that DL at OBAP would tell high time ASA FOs not to make a lateral move, to stay at ASA, and that they love ASA FOs. While that may have worked for *some* people, the majority that took that advice are now hosed.
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I agree with your sentiment that Delta treats their regionals contrary to their “rules of the road,” but you can’t reallf blame the recruiters. I’m sure they weren’t polled on this decision, nor told about it in advance. All they could really do is report that high time ASA FOs were becoming popular and being successful in the schoolhouse. I doubt they saw this coming.
 
Cptnchia said:
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The original quote was from Dorothy Parker, author/ raconteuresse/ member of the New York Algonquin literary circle of the 1930s-40s.

When challenged to use the word 'horticulture' in a sentence, she replied: "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."

If you are having trouble with this, knock back a few scotches (as Ms Parker did with great regularity!) and say it out loud.
 
JetDoc said:
I never said I was stuck.I stated that one should not through the term "angry lifer" around like it couldn't happen to them, the inference was on your part, I also prefer not to post in absolutes like I am the all seeing eye. It makes one seem arrogant and reeks of low self esteem. The fact of the the matter is that you simply do not know why an individual may consider themselves stuck. To assume that most are "self inflicted" is disingenuous. Socio-economic status. Putting their own kids through school. Caring for an elderly parent. Ever fill out an ASAP for an airframe limitation exceedance, clearance limit or altitude bust? Well, you just busted a check ride but as luck would have it, it wasn't a checking event and there wasn't a check airman, DPE or ASI on the jump. DUI? Already hired? No worries, we'll just HIMS the crap outa that. Looking for a gig though, sorry man, you are SOL but you can go fly this RJ for pennies on the dollar.. The complete and utter hypocrisy in this industry is astounding but you always seem to have all the answers so.... Thank you for you service. I was a maintainer in a previous life and you're welcome. I agree with you on one point though, Pilots do have little patience.
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An altitude bust, limitation exceedance, etc. aren't typically enough in themselves to cause a bust, for what it's worth. (At least, not at my shop.) Most of the time there are a list of other things and the totality of the event equals a bust.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
An altitude bust, limitation exceedance, etc. aren't typically enough in themselves to cause a bust, for what it's worth. (At least, not at my shop.) Most of the time there are a list of other things and the totality of the event equals a bust.
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Bingo. Going outside the box is allowed on checkrides, but recognition and immediate correction is required. Doing it over and over... not the same.

JetDoc... you checked off a lot of boxes of angry lifer in that post...
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Bingo. Going outside the box is allowed on checkrides, but recognition and immediate correction is required. Doing it over and over... not the same.

JetDoc... you checked off a lot of boxes of angry lifer in that post...
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Let me tag on to this.

During a fed ride while giving upgrade OE, we took a brief lateral deviation due to a programming error. Long story short, we managed to find a hole in the checklist that wasn't capturing this error.

The controller got us where we were supposed to be going, and the only thing the fed said was, "good job figuring out how that happened, now go file an asap so the company can get the checklist fixed so this doesn't happen to your buddies." He signed off the captain candidate without a second thought.

Perfection isn't required on a line check, but consistently good decision making is.
 
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