Huff Daland Dusters...
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I know two Delta dispatchers. One was hired. One was acquired (merger with Northwest). The one who was hired was with the company for something like 20 years BEFORE he got into Dispatch. He spent that time doing ramp, customer service, and a host of other jobs, including being a supervisory level employee. I don't know of course, but I suspect a year or two on the ramp is not going to make you competitive to get into Dispatch. Maybe with experience. In any case, it's not a path I would take.
Flynchick
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I am afraid to ask because I can only imagine what might be posted but here it goes....I see this all the time. What are they referring to when someone says a "Troll Detected"? I know I am like the only one that probably don't know.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
Flynchick
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Thank you! I have learned something today!
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Kev
RNP 2112
Good question.
Luigi
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Kind of moving in the opposite direction I think.
Both DL and WN have a long history of hiring internals exclusively. They started to hire externals when the supply of internal applicants could not keep up with demand of needing more bodies when retirements started to roll around (or growth of more aircraft).
The external hiring spree for all the majors is pretty unprecedented right now (or the past few years I should say). Thinking this is the norm and in turn getting upset when hiring goes back to how it use to be is misdirected anger in my opinion. The point of view should actually be lucky to the externals who got to sneak in when normally they would have had no shot in the first place.
Each airline has different philosophies of what makes a great dispatcher. To each his own correct? Find a place you think you could thrive in instead of being angry over something none of us can control.
The external hiring spree for all the majors is pretty unprecedented right now (or the past few years I should say). Thinking this is the norm and in turn getting upset when hiring goes back to how it use to be is misdirected anger in my opinion. The point of view should actually be lucky to the externals who got to sneak in when normally they would have had no shot in the first place.
Each airline has different philosophies of what makes a great dispatcher. To each his own correct? Find a place you think you could thrive in instead of being angry over something none of us can control.
Luigi
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That's deep broh.
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MT
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Reread the post. "Those with dispatch experience need not apply."
I wish I could be 100% joking.
They're not interested in experienced dispatchers who know what dispatchers do and can make tough decisions when it comes to flight planning. They want lackeys with dispatch tickets that tow the company fuel line and say yes sir.
Example. If ATL has thunderstorms forecast it's perfectly ok to send a flight with 15 minutes of extra gas and MGE as an alternate so we don't kick off any payload. An actual quote I received from one of their dispatchers.
This line of thinking is beyond unsafe and is an insult to our profession.
DispatcherSam
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They can't hear you over the sound of all that money they are raking in
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Sorry, but I gotta throw the BS flag. Granted, I've only been looking at Delta flight plans for the last 17 years, but I've never seen any flight plan with fuel planning like that. As a matter of fact, MGE is listed as an off-line alternate for all fleets, which means it can only be used when any other on-line alternate is not legal to use. Which means never.
You sure it was a mainline dispatcher and not an Expressjet one? Now, I've seen some pretty sketchy plans when I was as ASA.
MT
Well-Known Member
Throw the BS flag. I wish I could give you the proof publicly, but I do have to protect the innocent.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Like I said, never seen anything remotely like that. If I did, you can bet TSWHTF when I reject the flight plan. MGE is an illegal alternate as long as any other regular alternate is legal. You know that whole AAL thing?From Op Specs?
We routinely tanker fuel all over the place and leave revenue behind every day.
manniax
Well-met in the Ka-tet
WN seems to have realized, in recent years, the value of having a mix of internal and external applicants for dispatch. DL seems to have abandoned the notion of bringing in experience from outside the company since they started their own school. According to @MT, all their recent hires have been graduates of their internal school - even internals with a license already are evidently not getting interviews. Time will tell if this trend continues, but it doesn't sound like they'll be considering externals for the forseeable future.
R2D
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I think off-line alternate is slightly deceiving. If you look in the C070, KMGE is listed as an alternate for all fleet types and off-line isn't specified. The subfleet table excel spreadsheet is the where it's listed as off-line. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
In the AAL that we carry, and I'm not gonna fire up the EFB to get the page # right now, it's listed as AO for all fleet types. Not sure what reference the dispatchers have, but as far as I'm concerned, what I have is controlling. It would take a call from the DFO before I accepted MGE as an alternate.