Clash between Delta pilot and flight attendant delays flight at LGA
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Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
There is no point, even if they can't count to 50.You reap what you sow when you outsource.
As far as calling the FA a piece of shiite... I mean, we've all thought it, but #nottier1.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Then again, they could choose to put just a little more pride or effort into their work.
poser765
Well-Known Member
But why, though? 3%of the population either know the difference between a Delta and an Endeavor or can be bothered to spare two craps. Why should a reporter care? We aren't their target audience when it comes to airplane stories.
Mainline guys, if you don't want us regional pilots sullying your good name, then it's time to start thinking about how to get the toothpaste back in the tube. Otherwise, according to my Grandma, and 97% of the general public Captain Poser is a Delta pilot. Well, or an American Pilot, depending on the day of the week.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
If you're the CA, just keep your voice calm and level tone. You've already won any argument, assuming you have the intestinal fortitude to stick up for yourself in a professional manner.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Why should they try at their job? Is that really acceptable these days?
I doubt there's going to be Delta Connection in the next 5 to 10 years after full scale deployment of the C-Series and whatever is slated to replace the MD-88/90 is delivered.
Hell, even I did a DTW-GRB-DTW-MSN-DTW-GRR in a packed 319. The writing is on the wall.
ChicagoPilotJohn
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I just reread the article in the first post and it states at the end that is operated by endeavor, according to the delta spokesman the reporter talked to.
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KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
The only way DCI goes away is if you guys push scope to force it. Until then, or a total lack of pilots, the financial gains of having DCI are simply too great for a business to make money with.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
My theory is that the collective race to the bottom at the regional level plus the loss of career progression that was caused by the huge amount of growth soured this industry as a potential career path for most people. Many blame the "1500 hour rule" but historically, 1500 hours used to be low time when it came to flying a jet full of people. Because supply is beginning to dwindle, in order to retain people regional airlines are having to pay bonuses and salaries that make outsourcing no longer lucrative. In addition to that, being able to take control of your own product from any multitude of lowest bidders has benefits in customer satisfaction that you can't see on a spreadsheet. Even "back in the day" I had significant doubts that even with the gains of whipsaw that propping up multiple smaller airlines and the support staff required was actually saving anyone money.
SeanD
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I can see maybe 2 left in 10 years to use primarily in super small but fairly consistent markets like the Dakotas but I'm with Derg on new smaller mainline jets like the C Series and ERJ E2 eventually soaking up that flying.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
The airplane might still be useful, but it won't be worthwhile to outsource it anymore.
Jordan93
Well-Known Member
History has been made
poser765
Well-Known Member
These days? Don't make this a generational thing. It's always been this way. A reporter is trained in one thing, typically, and that's righting a story. The fact check what they can, then report what the understand to fill in the rest.
The fact is, most people don't understand how FFD crap works and certainly don't expect them to figure it out.
IN LANDSCAPE, gosh people!
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
I'm a bit skeptical the regionals will really disappear altogether, although I could see them shrinking significantly and probably only doing long and very thing routes in the future. Is MSN-DTW really a new route for Mainline? I am from the MSN area and it seems like most of the flights to MSP and DTW have been mainline for as long as I can remember, albeit with a few regional flights mixed in.
Still, I could see the C-series and similar-sized aircraft operated by mainline being about as profitable as the larger regional jets, even with the significantly higher crew pay. The C-series likely has a lower cost per seat-mile than a regional jet, even a 76-seat jet. Another advantage to eliminating regional feed, besides the quality control issues brought up, would be there may be less overhead and administrative costs with everything operated by the same company as opposed to having separate management, etc. for Mainline and the Regional partner(s). Also most of the airlines used to have 19-seat turboprops in their regional feed fleets, and these were eliminated. More recently 30-50 seat turboprops have been or are being retired, so if that trend continues the same may happen to 50 and eventually 76-seat jets.
Speaking of which, 50-seat jets probably will not be profitable once oil gets expensive again. I remember a few years ago before oil prices dropped the majors were planning to significantly reduce the number of 50-seaters in their regional fleets. I could see the shorter routes flown by 50-seaters that do not have enough demand to support mainline service being replaced with bus service. United has already done this with the EWR-ABE route, and I suspect most of the routes I fly in the Dash 8 could easily be replaced with bus service- it wouldn't even be much slower with EWR's ground delay program delays being as bad as they are, at least for afternoon flights.
I doubt so much flying would have been outsourced if Mainline wasn't saving enough money to justify it, and even with the bonuses pay is still significantly less than mainline- although the higher CASMs of regional jets and additional overhead from having a separate regional partner might counteract that a bit. Also the bonuses and increased pay at the regionals will probably be gone as soon as the next recession hits, which will probably be any day now since it's already been 8 years since the last recession.
I've been a pax on the old America West Dash 8-100s back in the day when mainline there had them.