Fights are the fault of pilots.

The conspiracy theorist would think that some chuckleheads in management that wanted a leg up in the next TA could just make some interns post on messageboards with dummy emails, and create websites to correlate with an organic slowdown in open time pickup.
How do you prove that the association was behind it without evidence like that? I'm assuming that collectively people could make up their own minds to stop bailing out the company. Management would have the most to win, they get the status quo and the pilots look bad to the public.
But I'm sure that such websites would get subpoenaed for things like that, @Derg?
 
Der_Meister said:
Staffing, they just expect people to fly extra on their days off.
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And that's the root of the problem. Many pilots are absolute • and pick up to the max they possibly can every month and do fly on their days off. If, after months (or years) of the pilot group averaging a certain amount of pickup, all of the sudden the numbers drop overnight, and you happen to be in Section 6, the Company does have a pretty good argument for a status quo violation. Case law is less than friendly to organized labor in this regard.

bimmerphile said:
The conspiracy theorist would think that some chuckleheads in management that wanted a leg up in the next TA could just make some interns post on messageboards with dummy emails, and create websites to correlate with an organic slowdown in open time pickup.
How do you prove that the association was behind it without evidence like that? I'm assuming that collectively people could make up their own minds to stop bailing out the company. Management would have the most to win, they get the status quo and the pilots look bad to the public.
But I'm sure that such websites would get subpoenaed for things like that, @Derg?
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In general companies aren't that smart. There may be some small group of people at a company that think about going all Mission Impossible style, but it's probably not a concerted effort and generally falls apart pretty quickly. Now... outside council like Ford and Harrison on the other hand... There are some stories.
 
BobDDuck said:
And that's the root of the problem. Many pilots are absolute and pick up to the max they possibly can every month and do fly on their days off. If, after months (or years) of the pilot group averaging a certain amount of pickup, all of the sudden the numbers drop overnight, and you happen to be in Section 6, the Company does have a pretty good argument for a status quo violation. Case law is less than friendly to organized labor in this regard.



In general companies aren't that smart. There may be some small group of people at a company that think about going all Mission Impossible style, but it's probably not a concerted effort and generally falls apart pretty quickly. Now... outside council like Ford and Harrison on the other hand... There are some stories.
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Ok, but then what? The judge can't force pilots to fly on their days off or pick up open time. It might look better for a couple of days to investors, but does this order to return to status quo really have teeth?
 
Boris Badenov said:
They're waiting on a TA and have been for a long time. Pilots are frustrated, company is relying on open time to keep the planes rolling, and in the pilots' eyes, they have deliberately run understaffed to save a few scheckels, it's now biting them, and boo hoo too bad. On the standard list of stupid pilot tricks, guys have been telling scheduling that they'd love to pick up open time but they're afraid they'll be Jimmy Hoffa'd, people have been posting on internet forums that they're through picking up open time and you should be too, etc etc. Unsurprisingly, then, the company has filed for an injunction to bring things back to "status quo" (for all values of "status quo" which equal pilots working a ludicrous amount). Basically, it's US Union negotiating in the 21st century episode ten, same as one through nine...aka he'll have a fair trial right before we shoot him.

At least that's how it looks from the cheap seats.
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Status Quo ... or Status Epilepticus ... status synonymous??
 
mastermags said:
Ok, but then what? The judge can't force pilots to fly on their days off or pick up open time. It might look better for a couple of days to investors, but does this order to return to status quo really have teeth?
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Just ask American APA and United ALPA what kind of teeth this has.
 
mastermags said:
Ok, but then what? The judge can't force pilots to fly on their days off or pick up open time. It might look better for a couple of days to investors, but does this order to return to status quo really have teeth?
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jtrain609 said:
Just ask American APA and United ALPA what kind of teeth this has.
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In general it is very hard to negotiate when all of the union's money is taken in the form of fines and your leadership is in jail.
 
You can work on call and make double your pay at Spirit???!!! Whoohooo! Sounds like Spirit is the first 135 operation worth working for!!
Either that or shopping at Walgreens where you can buy toothpaste for $20 or buy it at a normal market price if you just sign up for this here nifty "rewards" card.
 
BobDDuck said:
In general it is very hard to negotiate when all of the union's money is taken in the form of fines and your leadership is in jail.
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BUT THEN EVERYONE WILL STRIKE!!!!! THE COMPANY MIGHT TAKE OUR OPEN TIME, BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!
 
Inverted said:
I hope they strike again. Spirit management needs their heads pulled out of their asses. Those pilots need to stop picking up open time until negotiations are over with.
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I guess it looks like they will be having to now.
 
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