gotWXdagain
Polished Member
But we don't do it anymore because technological advances have made that type of flying obsolete.
Foreflight to partner with Jeppesen
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But we don't do it anymore because technological advances have made that type of flying obsolete.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Just had to do it last month in an MD88 with a deferred FMC. That plane keeps you on your toes.
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Just remember, at one time the MD88 was a technological advancement...
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Hahahaha...haha...ha.
"The purpose of installing dual FMS heads, other than compliance with the ADS-B mandate, is so that one may always be deferred."
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
I do wish we could set our thrust reference bugs without the FMS. (like you can)
It's also interesting to note that studies (of 744 drivers, that is; dunno why they always pick the 744) suggest the cognitive skills that go with such a non-automated navigation environment tend to atrophy faster and more dramatically than the psychomotor skills. Raw data/ground-based nav should really be something we do at least once a year.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
I was on the -90 jumpseat the other day when both FMCs just rolled over and quit on the downwind of the TORGY into MSP. "ROLL ALT HLD" (or something).
Captain: "Well...that's new."
FO: "How long can we coast on this leg before we have to confess?"
Captain: "Humph, good question. Let's see if we can get one back. I fly. You type."
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
I was mildly shocked to find out that there are USAF pilots who actually use it on XC flights.
UIPilot45X
Well-Known Member
So, it's $199 for Foreflight & Jepp Plates...or...$199 for the Jepp Plates and more money for the Foreflight portion of the subscription?
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
From the website:
"Jeppesen charts will be available as an option in all ForeFlight individual plans, as well as in the Business Pro plan. Jeppesen charts will not be available in ForeFlight Military Flight Bag."
That tells me that you'll have your core FF subscription, and then you'd have to add-on the Jepp subscription.
Yeah, pretty sure that's the way it is.
ShyFlyer
CAP Member
Yeah, I saw that and I can interpret it either way, but thought maybe paying $199 for ForeFlight then shelling out another $199 for Jepp Charts was kinda unrealistic. Basically you'd be buying both gov and Jepp charts, but only using the Jepp version.
If that's truly the case, then I'll just stick with the gov charts.
If that's truly the case, then I'll just stick with the gov charts.
UIPilot45X
Well-Known Member
$400 a year for the flight instructor class is pretty steep...even with their discount...if we get any...
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Or when I want my chart data loaded in a shotgun and fired at the page...or do more page flipping if the ODALS are out...or...
Soku39
Well-Known Member
We use it in the legacy C-130, we have no FMS, no real GPS/RNAV solution, half of our planes only have a single INS so it's real good back up over the ocean. We also have no navaid database, so when we are issued direct we have to find the point on a Hi chart , Lo chart, or approach plate and type in the lat long to go direct (and again that's an INS lat/long, not a GPS solution, so if the INS has drifted even your ground based lat/long will be incorrect, so we do back up with TACANs to the max extent possible). At least with foreflight you can quickly find the waypoint name and the lat/long. Our other moving map program is windows 95 based and while it's adaquete for tactical situational awareness ie threats, communication with C2, comm with TACP, location of friendly/enemy forces etc, again it has no database and does not help with navigation. Oh ya and guys pay out of pocket for it.
Reminder in case anyone flying an -88 wants to complain The only people I feel bad for are B-52 guys, but even they have like what 3 navigators?
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killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
We use it in the legacy C-130, we have no FMS, no real GPS/RNAV solution, half of our planes only have a single INS so it's real good back up over the ocean. We also have no navaid database, so when we are issued direct we have to find the point on a Hi chart , Lo chart, or approach plate and type in the lat long to go direct (and again that's an INS lat/long, not a GPS solution, so if the INS has drifted even your ground based lat/long will be incorrect, so we do back up with TACANs to the max extent possible). At least with foreflight you can quickly find the waypoint name and the lat/long. Our other moving map program is windows 95 based and while it's adaquete for tactical situational awareness ie threats, communication with C2, comm with TACP, location of friendly/enemy forces etc, again it has no database and does not help with navigation. Oh ya and guys pay out of pocket for it.
Reminder in case anyone flying an -88 wants to complain The only people I feel bad for are B-52 guys, but even they have like what 3 navigators?
Yeah, I was talking to some B-2 guys that were telling me about how they use it when they're flying T-38s for currency. Pretty enlightening, really.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
I am very surprised that they are allowed to use them in that community, mostly due to eiection seat considerations. However, it is nice to see common sense prevail in big blue for once.
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gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Not Doing Busywork.
Your military pilots can get paid for licenses of the full-up Foreflight from the NGA.