That the old CAL Micronesia?
Hope you Delta guys like Incheon
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That the old CAL Micronesia?
How do you say "provoking imperialists" and "show of force with complete disregard for sovereign borders" in Korean?
You should hear the ROK controller "Watchman on Guard! You approaching Papa 7-9, turn X direction or you will be fired upon!" I can still remember all those various controllers after nearly 2 decades, as well as the weirdness that was flying over there for 2 years of my life.
Back then it was RKSS/K-14, as ICN was just being designed at the time.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
All I wanna know is how you go up in a fighter jet, make visual contact with a Korean 747 with passenger windows, markings, logo, and decide, yup, this is a USAF surveillance plane, shoot 'er down!
One of the $2 layover types that I used to occasionally fly to TLV with.
$1 tip to the van driver. They'd go right upstairs to the hospitality room with booze 'n snacks, stumble out, $1 tip to the van driver on the way back to Ben Gurion.
That was an amazing layover, but I'd only hit the hospitality room for a quick beer and a snack then ditch the crew and head out solo. Ain't nobody got time for no Irish bar.
How was the breakfast?
You will not find Giant CBA-compliant bacon at the Sheraton Tel Aviv. Great breakfast though!
GREEVUMPS!
Cessnaflyer
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
"Lemme tell you about how GUBMINT and BIG LABOR are destroy'n our democracy right after I file a GREEVUMPS about non-CBA compliant bacon and free breakfast"
Oh lordy! Do I have a story about one I flew with like that!
Scary accurate."Lemme tell you about how GUBMINT and BIG LABOR are destroy'n our democracy right after I file a GREEVUMPS about non-CBA compliant bacon and free breakfast"
I've been doing this flying thing for a while and got real good at the "FO Head Bob".
"Thanks for your long, drawn-out opinion about the Affordable Care Act. I think it's real neat your adult child couch-surfing son is able to stay on your insurance out of the pure goodness of UHC's heart".
"Thanks for your long, drawn-out opinion about the Affordable Care Act. I think it's real neat your adult child couch-surfing son is able to stay on your insurance out of the pure goodness of UHC's heart".
B767
Well-Known Member
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Because the General wants to make a statement and the fighter pilot didn't want to end up in a gulag.
BigZ
Well-Known Member
Or rather it's fighter pilot's job to follow orders. Know a guy who drives airliners over there now, used to drive interceptors, says it wouldn't occur to him to question the order. Know another interceptor driver from over there, he's somewhat more pink floyd about it, makes custom stairwells in Canada now.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
He defected a few years later anyway.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
His job should have been to identify and confirm the target first.................................
In a 1991 interview with Izvestia, Major Genadi Osipovich, pilot of the Su-15 interceptor that shot the 747 down, spoke about his recollections of the events leading up to the shootdown. Contrary to official Soviet statements at the time, he recalled telling ground controllers that there were "blinking lights". He continued, saying that "I saw two rows of windows and knew that this was a Boeing. I knew this was a civilian plane. But for me this meant nothing. It is easy to turn a civilian type of plane into one for military use." He furthermore did not provide a detailed description of the aircraft to the ground controllers: "I did not tell the ground that it was a Boeing-type plane; they did not ask me."
The Commander of the Soviet Far East District Air Defense Forces, General Valery Kamensky, was adamant that KAL 007 was to be destroyed even over neutral waters but only after positive identification showed it not to be a passenger plane. His subordinate, General Anatoly Kornukov, commander of Sokol Air Base and later to become commander of the Russian Air Force, insisted that there was no need to make positive identification as "the intruder" had already flown over the Kamchatka Peninsula.
BigZ
Well-Known Member
I didn't read his job description, just told you what two guys with the same line in their resumes said.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Wow that sounds amazing.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I was talking about 007.
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Units of the Soviet Air Defence Forces that had been tracking the South Korean aircraft for more than an hour while it entered and left Soviet airspace now classified the aircraft as a military target when it reentered their airspace over Sakhalin. After the protracted ground-controlled interception, the three Su-15 fighters (from nearby Dolinsk-Sokol airbase) and the MiG-23 (from Smirnykh Air Base) managed to make visual contact with the Boeing. The pilot of the lead Su-15 fighter fired warning shots, but recalled later in 1991, "I fired four bursts, more than 200 rounds. For all the good it did. After all, I was loaded with armor piercing shells, not incendiary shells. It's doubtful whether anyone could see them."
At this point, KAL 007 contacted Tokyo Area Control Center, requesting clearance to ascend to a higher flight level for reasons of fuel economy; the request was granted, so the Boeing started to climb, gradually slowing as it exchanged speed for altitude. The decrease in speed caused the pursuing fighter to overshoot the Boeing and was interpreted by the Soviet pilot as an evasive maneuver. The order to shoot KAL 007 down was given as it was about to leave Soviet airspace for the second time. At around 18:26 UTC, under pressure from General Kornukov, and ground controllers not to let the aircraft escape into international airspace, the lead fighter was able to move back into a position where it could fire two K-8 air-to-air missiles at the plane.
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It reads quite clearly that when the fighter jet took off, the objective initially at least was not to shoot it down, but identify it positively. The shoot down order came down later and was based on nothing more than Russia being Russia.