Boeing discussing possible 797 concept

I'm getting out of short flight on a brand new A321 tomorrow morning and hopping on a CRJ-200 for 2.5 hours so if you could all shut up about 737 vs A320 that would be greeeeaaatttt.

I'll preface this by saying that I'm 5'9", but I'd honestly rather ride on a CRJ of any kind (except a -200 in the summer) than a 737.

1) No middle seat
2) The perfect wall contour for me to rest my head and shoulder against
3) I've spent so much time on that thing that the sounds and vibrations put me to sleep.
 
Supposed to be an A321 fighter, but with no new wing or engine, but will carry more pax than the 900. A stopover measure, to try to end the hemorrhaging from the failures of the 900 MAX. With the recent gains in marketshare for the 321 NEO.

The wing and engines are not the issue for the 737, the issue is the short landing gear. With redesigned taller gear, Boeing could use the larger CFM/LEAP engine variants and be perfectly fine carrying more passengers with the existing wing.

By my rough math, the current wing on the 737NG could actually handle ~20K lbs more in MTOW before it reaches the same limitations as the 93.5T A321-200. Not all of that would be available for more passengers - a lot would be chewed up by taller gear, hanging larger engines, increasing fuselage weights with a stretch, and by having to install over-wing exit slides (not currently contemplated on the NG or MAX). But the wing capability is there as-is.

Back to the topic at hand -- this airplane, if seen through, needs to nail the payload, range, and price combination. There seems to be clear consensus in the market for a 200-280 seat airplane, fitting snugly between the A321 and the 787/A330. It cannot be designed with too much range - sizing the components for ranges the market will not use puts it at risk of being squeezed by the A321 and/or A330, especially when you factor in pricing Airbus' ability to discount. As a clean-sheet, it will need to be much more efficient per-seat than the A321/A330neo up to the target range point, say ~4500mi, and as close to A321 pricing as feasibly possible. Not an easy task - especially launching a clean sheet at a time when the 777X development is currently using cash and resources, only one 737 variant is really selling, and the widebody market is soft altogether, and the 787 has some very real sales challenges ahead vs the A330neo.
 
The issue for the 737 is that it's a small, loud, old cockpit up front. In the back the problem is America is full of fat slobs. I'd like a little more room when I have to sit next to these people. Airbus knows all of this stuff. My "Boeing hate" is getting stronger as my class date approaches. Serenity now.
 
The issue for the 737 is that it's a small, loud, old cockpit up front. In the back the problem is America is full of fat slobs. I'd like a little more room when I have to sit next to these people. Airbus knows all of this stuff. My "Boeing hate" is getting stronger as my class date approaches. Serenity now.
Well, you can always turn it down. ;)
 
The issue for the 737 is that it's a small, loud, old cockpit up front. In the back the problem is America is full of fat slobs. I'd like a little more room when I have to sit next to these people. Airbus knows all of this stuff. My "Boeing hate" is getting stronger as my class date approaches. Serenity now.

You know what they say though.

Serenity now......Insanity later.
 
I'll preface this by saying that I'm 5'9", but I'd honestly rather ride on a CRJ of any kind (except a -200 in the summer) than a 737.

1) No middle seat
2) The perfect wall contour for me to rest my head and shoulder against
3) I've spent so much time on that thing that the sounds and vibrations put me to sleep.
I recently had to ride on a -200 after riding on almost exclusively Airbii for a couple years.

I honestly have no idea how I flew that thing or ever sat in back. It's a torture chamber. There's something wrong with the seats, they're too short or something horizontally.
 
I just hope it's a more comfortable ride for those of us in the back.

I told another JCer today that when I'm going to ride on a 737 I get the same feeling I do when I'm going to fix something but don't have the right tool. I'll probably be able to make it work with the tools that I have, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience.

Drop that mic.
 
A ride in a CRJ is like taking a Bently compared to riding in a ERJ 145 which I would say is probably as comfy as taking a roadtrip in rikshaw made of wicker. I used to get giddy when my commute to or from ORD was on a GoJet 700.
 
Kids. [emoji849] Try commuting on a B1900 or a Jetstream to your job on a Metroliner or Shorts. Whining about riding on a jet? Puhlease!


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I'll take that and a <3 year tour of duty at a commuter any day over what I experienced.
 
Try 5 hours non-stop in the front of a King Air. The Dash-8 seemed like a Cadillac after that.

You're all getting soft in your old age!
 
Kids. [emoji849] Try commuting on a B1900 or a Jetstream to your job on a Metroliner or Shorts. Whining about riding on a jet? Puhlease!


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Yeah, but while I appreciate the ride, that 737 jumpseat gives me "Turboprop Ear"! :)
 
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