Just wondering what ya'll think about this

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The summary and text aren't up yet, but I feel like the title pretty much says it all.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/545/cosponsors
S.545 - A bill to preserve and protect the free choice of individual employees to form, join, or assist labor organizations, or to refrain from such activities.


Introduced by Rand Paul in the Senate earlier this week and cosponsored by 21 other Republican Senators. How would this affect the airlines? Would enough pilots continue to pay dues to keep the unions in force? How long before they crumble?
 
We'd have to wait and see
Looks like democracy though
Forced participation is sooo socialist
 
The summary and text aren't up yet, but I feel like the title pretty much says it all.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/545/cosponsors


Introduced by Rand Paul in the Senate earlier this week and cosponsored by 21 other Republican Senators. How would this affect the airlines? Would enough pilots continue to pay dues to keep the unions in force? How long before they crumble?
Unions really sort of shot themselves in the foot when they failed to make inroads in any industry that began after 1930.
 
Unions really sort of shot themselves in the foot when they failed to make inroads in any industry that began after 1930.

Writers at several digital media companies have organized. Most recently, the writers at Thrillist have been organizing a union drive.
 
The Railway Labor Act, the first significant piece of National Labor Legislation, was written in 1926, under the Coolidge Administration.

The Railway Labor Act Simplified
Purpose For Legislation
To avoid work stoppages that threaten to substantially interrupt interstate commerce to a degree such as to deprive any section of the country essential transportation services.

Railway Labor Act Enacted
RLA_Strike_picture.jpg
Strike scenes like this played out throughout the country souring relations between the railroads and workers for quite some time.

Decades of railroad labor unrest which included widespread and often violent work stoppages frequently pitted federal soldiers against striking railroad workers. In 1924, President Calvin Coolidge urged both Railroads and Unions to recommend legislation for better labor/management relations and reduce the threat of railroad shutdowns. Railroads and their unions jointly drafted legislation, whose premise is that arms-length negotiations (jaw-jaw, not war-war) promote more stable labor relations. Formally signed by President Coolidge on May 20, 1926, this new law was designated the Railway Labor Act of 1926 (RLA).

The RLA was the first federal law guaranteeing the right of workers to organize and join unions and elect representatives without employer coercion or interference.

The RLA makes it the duty of all carriers and their employees to exert every reasonable effort to voluntarily settle disputes.

Who is covered by the RLA
The RLA applies to freight and commuter railroads, airlines, companies directly or indirectly controlled by carriers who perform services related to transportation of freight or passengers and the employees of these railroads, airlines and companies.

The RLA contains five basic purposes
To avoid any interruption to commerce.

To ensure an unhindered right of employees to join a labor union (added in 1934).

To provide complete independence of organization by both parties to carry out the purposes of the RLA.

To assist in the prompt and orderly settlement of disputes covering rates of
pay, work rules, or working conditions.

To assist in the prompt and orderly settlement of disputes growing out of
grievances or out of the interpretation or application of existing contracts covering the rates of pay, work rules or working conditions.

“Major”and “Minor”Disputes
Major Disputes–matters affecting rates of pay, rules and working conditions; and, making or modification of the collective bargaining agreement between the parties.

  • Almost total reliance upon collective bargaining for dispute settlement.
  • Self-help permitted after negotiation and mediation procedures are exhausted.
Minor Disputes–grievances growing out of the interpretation or application of collective bargaining agreements.

  • National Railroad Adjustment Board (NRAB) or alternative boards of adjustment have exclusive jurisdiction over grievance disputes.
  • Self-help not allowed
 
One other thing to consider, if it becomes illegal to require members of a bargaining unit to contribute germane dues to the collective bargaining agent.

1. The duty of fair representation arises out of the exclusive nature of the bargaining agent to negotiate wages and working conditions for the entire covered work group.

2. Currently individuals may chose not be members of the union but they are required to pay "germane" agency fees to the bargaining agent to cover the cost of negotiating and administering the contract.

3. If individuals are not required to pay for administration and or negotiation of the contract, does the Union have a Duty of Fair Representation if the company terminates an employee unfairly or furloughs a group of pilots unfairly.

4. Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), as amended by the Taft-Hartley Act, and held by the Supreme Court in Communications Workers of America v. Beck that in a union security agreement, unions are authorized by statute to collect from non-members only those fees and dues necessary to perform its duties as a collective bargaining representative known as agency fees.[12] The agency fee is only that portion of union dues that is attributable to the cost of representing employees in collective bargaining and in providing services to all represented employees, but not, with certain exceptions, to the union's political activities or organizing employees of other employers. Additional restrictions apply to unions covered by the Railway Labor Act (RLA) and unionized governmental employees.

5. How will national Unions respond? "No agency fees = no duty fair representation". The company may be free to discriminate against those who do not maintain membership in the union.

6. As stated in the previous post, the RLA is 90 years old and has been used to adjudicate many claims and controversies. Rand Paul just doesn't like unions and has not thought this through and like Trump's repeal of the ACA, it my prove tougher than it looks at first blush. Rand Paul is attempting to rewrite and invalidate decades of labor law.
 
We'd have to wait and see
Looks like democracy though
Forced participation is sooo socialist

No, not at all.

This is another Koch brothers pet project.

Also do you realize aviation is one of the most unionized industries in America?
 
Unions really sort of shot themselves in the foot when they failed to make inroads in any industry that began after 1930.

As stated Aviation is one of the most unionized industries out there, besides auto manufacturing.

They both developed quite a bit since the 1930s. So, I am not sure what your point is.
 
All I'm saying is, by not capturing the computer/IT/tech industries, the unions ended up in the place in society that they have today, which is of continually shrinking significance.

And for the record I don't by any means say that's a good thing, but it's disingenuous to blame any decline in union membership (and accompanying drop in public perception of unions) on ermagerd republicans.
 
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All I'm saying is, by not capturing the computer/IT/tech industries, the unions ended up in the place in society that they have today, which is of continually shrinking significance.

And for the record I don't by any means say that's a good thing, but it's disingenuous to blame any decline in union membership (and accompanying drop in public perception of unions) on ermagerd republicans.

It doesn't relieve them of their share of blame either.
 
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