Is this X-wind landing real?

abrutus

abrutus

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I have no experience flying largre jets but watching this video clip made me wonder if his movements were real?or was he over correcting? Or is that the average input an airliner requires on a crosswind landing?

 
That looks like a lot more work than what is actually required generally, but hard to tell without actually being there.
 
It's real but he's over controlling. I just watched a gopro vid of one of the gustiest days I've flown with 40+ knots and I have maybe 1/10th the amount of movements.
 
Jordan93 said:
Perhaps our 747 drivers will chime in. Seems a little excessive to me but I don't fly the plane.
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Probably a little over controlling, but at the same time you only get 5 degrees of bank either side before you strike a pod...plus NRT can be pretty gnarly. I operated a leg out of there where the CA was doing pretty close to that on the takeoff roll. Honestly it was moderate turbulence with all 18 wheels still on the ground.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Probably a little over controlling, but at the same time you only get 5 degrees of bank either side before you strike a pod...plus NRT can be pretty gnarly. I operated a leg out of there where the CA was doing pretty close to that on the takeoff roll. Honestly it was moderate turbulence with all 18 wheels still on the ground.
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I thought it was perhaps just a little bit of manhandling, but I have no idea of the wind speed or the gusts they may have been experiencing either and it does seem somewhat rocky upfront. It's sometimes difficult and you often don't always have the time to find that little stabilizing sweet spot and make it last for a few seconds. It's easy to find yourself starting to over compensate because you want to remain tight and keep your stability. There was some slight drift after minimums most likely do to the winds, but he corrected and it was a good landing, IMO.
 
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A Life Aloft said:
I thought it was perhaps a just a little bit of manhandling, but I have no idea of the wind speed or the gusts they may have been experiencing either and it does seem somewhat rocky upfront. It's sometimes difficult and you often don't always have the time to find that little stabilizing sweet spot and make it last for a few seconds. It's easy to find yourself starting to over compensate because you want to remain tight and keep your stability. There was some slight drift after minimums most likely do to the winds, but he corrected and it was a good landing, IMO.
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Yeah. Really hard to tell.

Here's a video of the crew that brought my plane in to NRT on the day I was talking about. If you look at the inboard ailerons you definitely see similar displacement and movements of the ailerons, but it doesn't seem to result in a lot of movement of the aircraft. That was an absolutely crazy day, but then winds were only gusting into the high 30s. Our taxi out was about half an hour and we saw probably 6 or 7 go arounds. A United 777 did a very last minute go around and whoever was on the radio sounded downright scared.



I'm not sure if it's related to wing flex, but I definitely feel like there is a dead spot in the ailerons where the aircraft doesn't respond for the first few inches of travel.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Probably a little over controlling, but at the same time you only get 5 degrees of bank either side before you strike a pod...plus NRT can be pretty gnarly. I operated a leg out of there where the CA was doing pretty close to that on the takeoff roll. Honestly it was moderate turbulence with all 18 wheels still on the ground.
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Interesting. Yea I hear NRT can get nasty. Thanks for commenting.
 
Just as a side note on technique, when do you guys apply the correction to straighten the airplane out for landing when landing in a cross wind? Was just reading a report on a FedEx tri-holer that broke the right main off in a cross wind landing and their FOM states that the correction should be applied at 200 AGL. Was curious what everyone else's thoughts on that are?
 
FlyByWire22 said:
Just as a side note on technique, when do you guys apply the correction to straighten the airplane out for landing when landing in a cross wind? Was just reading a report on a FedEx tri-holer that broke the right main off in a cross wind landing and their FOM states that the correction should be applied at 200 AGL. Was curious what everyone else's thoughts on that are?
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Depends. The 747 you can land in a crab and straighten it once the mains are on the ground, I prefer to add the rudder to straighten it out right about the time I'm in the flare. You don't get a lot of bank to use to stop drift before you have to worry about striking an engine, so for me its wings level and kick the tail straight at the last minute...or at least that's my goal.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Yeah. Really hard to tell.

Here's a video of the crew that brought my plane in to NRT on the day I was talking about. If you look at the inboard ailerons you definitely see similar displacement and movements of the ailerons, but it doesn't seem to result in a lot of movement of the aircraft. That was an absolutely crazy day, but then winds were only gusting into the high 30s. Our taxi out was about half an hour and we saw probably 6 or 7 go arounds. A United 777 did a very last minute go around and whoever was on the radio sounded downright scared.



I'm not sure if it's related to wing flex, but I definitely feel like there is a dead spot in the ailerons where the aircraft doesn't respond for the first few inches of travel.
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That is a great video. They actually kept the nose up and didn't let it drift down, they kept the drift/slide of the entire airplane down to a minimum. Man, she was rocking right before the touchdown. They planted her pretty quickly, but not hard and sometimes that is just what you have to do in those winds. They can sometimes be even squirrelier on the ground. It's probably a combination of wing flex (which you can really see on this video) and the wind hitting the surfaces unevenly if it's gusting that accounts for those few moments of her not responding as quickly as you would like.

NRT and HKG (the old airport Kai Tak) were always the most challenging and most awesome airports for me to fly. You'll gain the best of hand skills and judgement in that environment, really.
 
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abrutus said:
I have no experience flying largre jets but watching this video clip made me wonder if his movements were real?or was he over correcting? Or is that the average input an airliner requires on a crosswind landing?

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The plane may be yhoooooogggg, but the pilot was totally off center line over the fence (there should be a wall). Total loser. So sad. Let's make pilots great again.
 
Lunchbox said:
It's real but he's over controlling. I just watched a gopro vid of one of the gustiest days I've flown with 40+ knots and I have maybe 1/10th the amount of movements.
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Jordan93 said:
Perhaps our 747 drivers will chime in. Seems a little excessive to me but I don't fly the plane.
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Nark said:
That seems overly excessive. However I don't fly a Boeing...
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Really guys? Please video yourself landing so we can all say you did too much, too little, or generally were inept. We make these judgements from our couches or hotel rooms while watching a video of something thousands of miles away in a gusty cockpit.
 
JeppUpdater said:
Really guys? Please video yourself landing so we can all say you did too much, too little, or generally were inept. We make these judgements from our couches or hotel rooms while watching a video of something thousands of miles away in a gusty cockpit.
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It'll have to wait until next summer.
I'm a little preoccupied.

Here a video of @WaterRooster and a few of our friends. Critique away.

 
Screaming_Emu said:
Depends. The 747 you can land in a crab and straighten it once the mains are on the ground, I prefer to add the rudder to straighten it out right about the time I'm in the flare. You don't get a lot of bank to use to stop drift before you have to worry about striking an engine, so for me its wings level and kick the tail straight at the last minute...or at least that's my goal.
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Yeppers, in the flare is a great technique.



But I've also seen guys crunching it that way too, usually when the crosswind is variable and pretty gusty. It works beautifully in the the flare if the crosswind is fairly steady.

You can also have a nasty landing if winds are very strong and you go for the wing down side slip method and want to touch one side down first, lose control of your drift and/or you don't get the nose to settle properly.
 
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