C525 missing over Lake Erie

Oxman said:
BKL is my home. You MASTER the cross wind landing there.
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I used to fly in AK in some at times rather unnerving weather.
One night we came into CLE. Got cleared for the ILS 24R on an intercept vector. Just before getting that clearance, the Wx was reported 1.5sm and 800. Easy. Shortly after crossing the FAF, tower called to inform us the preceding traffic had gone missed and the airport was "whiteout". Yup, we went missed. Got vectored out over the lake for a second try. As we crossed the shore, a hole opened, the FO looked down and saw Burke. We got vectored around for the Burke ILS. We landed in a dark version of your picture. It was the closest thing to Unalakleet on a bad day I've ever seen in the lower 48. 35° crosswind blowing 34kts; Snow on top of ice on the runway and taxiways. Edge lights buried in snow. I taxied at a crawl lest I depart the paved surface due even to thinking about touching the brakes. Yikes.
 
Crop Duster said:
I used to fly in AK in some at times rather unnerving weather.
One night we came into CLE. Got cleared for the ILS 24R on an intercept vector. Just before getting that clearance, the Wx was reported 1.5sm and 800. Easy. Shortly after crossing the FAF, tower called to inform us the preceding traffic had gone missed and the airport was "whiteout". Yup, we went missed. Got vectored out over the lake for a second try. As we crossed the shore, a hole opened, the FO looked down and saw Burke. We got vectored around for the Burke ILS. We landed in a dark version of your picture. It was the closest thing to Unalakleet on a bad day I've ever seen in the lower 48. 35° crosswind blowing 34kts; Snow on top of ice on the runway and taxiways. Edge lights buried in snow. I taxied at a crawl lest I depart the paved surface due even to thinking about touching the brakes. Yikes.
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Welcome to Cleveland.
 
I obviously feel bad about what happened, but there is an interesting dynamic playing out here by the owner/operators hyperventilating and the pro-pilots saying "yup, that's a known spot for trouble. Better bring your 'A' game".

"But I went to teh training!...that makes me qualified!"

As Han Solo once said "Look kid, good against remotes is one thing...good against a living? That's something else"

I tried to explain to one cat who expounded how qualified he was because he'd gone to a name brand sim facility. "Pro guys are kinda of like Farmers Insurance....we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two". That analogy was lost...

Richman
 
Richman said:
I obviously feel bad about what happened, but there is an interesting dynamic playing out here by the owner/operators hyperventilating and the pro-pilots saying "yup, that's a known spot for trouble. Better bring your 'A' game".

"But I went to teh training!...that makes me qualified!"

As Han Solo once said "Look kid, good against remotes is one thing...good against a living? That's something else"

I tried to explain to one cat who expounded how qualified he was because he'd gone to a name brand sim facility. "Pro guys are kinda of like Farmers Insurance....we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two". That analogy was lost...

Richman
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My personal experience was that part 91 training at FSI (MCO location) was a complete joke compared to 121. My sim partner walked out with a 525 PIC type, and I honestly would not have trusted him to fly anyone I know in a 172.
 
My personal experience was that part 141 training (at any number of schools across the country) was a complete joke compared to Part 91 training at FSI. My sim partner walked out with a 525 PIC type, and I honestly would not have trusted him to fly anyone I know in a 172.
 
pntbllr233 said:
Is the lake pretty deep in this area? Pretty crazy they have only found pieces.
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I'm wondering the same thing. I definitely understand why the search is slowly coming along though. Flew over on the way to DTW yesterday and it was frozen over everywhere.
 
phill1174 said:
I'm wondering the same thing. I definitely understand why the search is slowly coming along though. Flew over on the way to DTW yesterday and it was frozen over everywhere.
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Not sure what you saw I live on Lake Erie just west of cleveland and lake is not frozen. The western base may have a skin layer it's much shallower there. Lake Erie is very shallow overall. Probably 50 feet deep in the area it went down. Maybe a little more
 
I heard that the pilot in this accident had <400 hours. Now this might be <400 turbojet but my understanding is that it's <400TT.
 
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