LaMia Flight 2933 — This is getting REALLY bizarre

Autothrust Blue said:
I seem to remember being vaguely told at one point that I was directly responsible for, and the final authority as to, the operation of "my" aircraft...
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You are correct.

However, it was my experience (although I have no Jet PIC or don't have 80 years of generational experience), that the first few hundred hours in the left seat was one of a great learning curve for myself professionally. I didn't know, what I didn't know. Ask @jynxyjoe about those first few hundred hours!

With that, being quick to the draw of using 'MY' early on in my climb in PIC time could possibly be more damaging to the overall concept of PIC Authority, as I didn't know what I didn't know, than when I was a little more seasoned in the seat. Yes, if you as a PIC feel the need to use it, go right ahead. However, I caution you and others on here that if one using something to much, it looses it's effectiveness and takes away from the concept overall of PIC Authority.

Sometimes it is better to walk quietly and carry a big stick at work. Leads to more enjoyable days off as well!
 
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Seggy said:
You are correct.

However, it was my experience (although I have no Jet PIC or don't have 80 years of generational experience), that the first few hundred hours in the left seat was one of a great learning curve for myself professionally. I didn't know, what I didn't know. Ask @jynxyjoe about those first few hundred hours!

With that, being quick to the draw of using 'MY' early on in my climb in PIC time could probably be more damaging to the overall concept of PIC Authority, as I didn't know what I didn't know, than when I was a little more seasoned in the seat. Yes, if you as a PIC feel the need to use it, go right ahead. However, I caution you and others on here that if one using something to much, it looses it's effectiveness and takes away from the concept overall of PIC Authority.

Sometimes it is better to walk quietly and carry a big stick at work. Leads to more enjoyable days off as well!
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A friend of mine tried to pull the "this is MY aircraft" crap and claimed he wasn't comfortable with the flight right after he upgraded, <100 hours. Short flight with WX at mins, alternate was clear and a million. Not sure why he couldn't just go burn holes in the sky, shoot an approach and divert to his alternate (departure airport) but he wanted to test his PIC authority. Lost some pay for that one. Gotta be smart about pulling that card.
 
Seggy said:
You are correct.

However, it was my experience (although I have no Jet PIC or don't have 80 years of generational experience), that the first few hundred hours in the left seat was one of a great learning curve for myself professionally. I didn't know, what I didn't know. Ask @jynxyjoe about those first few hundred hours!

With that, being quick to the draw of using 'MY' early on in my climb in PIC time could possibly be more damaging to the overall concept of PIC Authority, as I didn't know what I didn't know, than when I was a little more seasoned in the seat. Yes, if you as a PIC feel the need to use it, go right ahead. However, I caution you and others on here that if one using something to much, it looses it's effectiveness and takes away from the concept overall of PIC Authority.

Sometimes it is better to walk quietly and carry a big stick at work. Leads to more enjoyable days off as well!
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He did fine but he did goofy things like we all did when we upgrade.

"You want the ice?"
"Crap that's on my side now"

Hed annoying check, then double check the book. Ask dumb questions you know the answer to. Take the wrong turn on the same taxiway youve seen a hundred times in boston on a beautiful day because we're both dreaming of a sammich and soda before leg 4, and we're stupid early today

That sorta stuff. After the first 500 hours in the left seat you stop making obvious stupid mistakes. I dont know if any of my FOs are out there in the web. But I know theyd tell stories I'd love to forget.

Left seat is challenging. good fun though.
 
Seggy said:
You are correct.

However, it was my experience (although I have no Jet PIC or don't have 80 years of generational experience), that the first few hundred hours in the left seat was one of a great learning curve for myself professionally. I didn't know, what I didn't know. Ask @jynxyjoe about those first few hundred hours!

With that, being quick to the draw of using 'MY' early on in my climb in PIC time could possibly be more damaging to the overall concept of PIC Authority, as I didn't know what I didn't know, than when I was a little more seasoned in the seat. Yes, if you as a PIC feel the need to use it, go right ahead. However, I caution you and others on here that if one using something to much, it looses it's effectiveness and takes away from the concept overall of PIC Authority.

Sometimes it is better to walk quietly and carry a big stick at work. Leads to more enjoyable days off as well!
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stopped reading since you lost all credibility with no jet PIC
 
AND.......back to the thread:

From the article linked below:

"Bolivia's defense minister said Friday a plane crash that killed 71 people traveling to Colombia aboard a Bolivian-registered charter plane was "murder," accusing the pilot of flying with insufficient fuel.

"This was definitely no accident. This was a homicide. What happened in Medellin was murder," Defense Minister Reymi Ferreira told journalists..........."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...nister/ar-AAlmGCv?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
 
Seggy said:
You are correct.

However, it was my experience (although I have no Jet PIC or don't have 80 years of generational experience), that the first few hundred hours in the left seat was one of a great learning curve for myself professionally. I didn't know, what I didn't know. Ask @jynxyjoe about those first few hundred hours!

With that, being quick to the draw of using 'MY' early on in my climb in PIC time could possibly be more damaging to the overall concept of PIC Authority, as I didn't know what I didn't know, than when I was a little more seasoned in the seat. Yes, if you as a PIC feel the need to use it, go right ahead. However, I caution you and others on here that if one using something to much, it looses it's effectiveness and takes away from the concept overall of PIC Authority.

Sometimes it is better to walk quietly and carry a big stick at work. Leads to more enjoyable days off as well!
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It has been my experience that the guys who are big on "asserting command" were usually pretty insecure. Leadership is recognized, if you're doing it right you don't need to verbalize it...unless the guy in the right seat is being a dingleberry.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Try switching chairs on a stupid regular basis. I am pretty sure I have a 0% success rate on finding the seat adjustment controls on the first try.
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I believe during upgrade OE or right after, I had a plane that the seat back was just a notch or 2 off from how I like it (which BTW my preference is straight up grandpa style or TO and LDG). Anywho, I flew around a couple legs before I realized I was grabbing the wrong lever on the wrong side of the seat...
 
dustoff17 said:
AND.......back to the thread:

From the article linked below:

"Bolivia's defense minister said Friday a plane crash that killed 71 people traveling to Colombia aboard a Bolivian-registered charter plane was "murder," accusing the pilot of flying with insufficient fuel.

"This was definitely no accident. This was a homicide. What happened in Medellin was murder," Defense Minister Reymi Ferreira told journalists..........."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...nister/ar-AAlmGCv?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
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Now that's getting a little out of hand. It's not like this CA took off wanting to, knowing, and planning to crash.

He'd done this route before on this plane. He had always gotten the fuel numbers to work. He had completed flights with good landings at Medellin. Why would this night be any different?

If you're a pilot, you know exactly what that mentality is.

What happened is extremely tragic, but it's not like this was deliberate murder. Pilots who do "that" usually wait til the other guy has to use the bathroom and then nose down.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Try switching chairs on a stupid regular basis. I am pretty sure I have a 0% success rate on finding the seat adjustment controls on the first try.
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Right... no left. Wait, this one's the little toggle switch instead of the rocker? Who put ALL of the lumbar in?! Where'd the PTT go?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Now that's getting a little out of hand. It's not like this CA took off wanting to, knowing, and planning to crash.

He'd done this route before on this plane. He had always gotten the fuel numbers to work. He had completed flights with good landings at Medellin. Why would this night be any different?

If you're a pilot, you know exactly what that mentality is.

What happened is extremely tragic, but it's not like this was deliberate murder. Pilots who do "that" usually wait til the other guy has to use the bathroom and then nose down.
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Well when the drunk guy got into his car that night, it's not like he set off wanting to, knowing, and planning to crash.

He'd driven that route home drunk plenty of time and made it safe. He had always stayed between the lines. Why would this night be any different?

If you've ever been buzzed you know exactly what the mentality.

If a drunk driver got in a head-on and killed a family you'd call him a murderer wouldn't you? This isn't any different just because he's a pilot.
You are held accountable for your decisions, and if extremely negligent and deliberate and you kill people because of it, it is murder. I beleive there's even a term, "negligent homicide" or then laymans "homicide through extreme stupidity".
 
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Screaming_Emu said:
It has been my experience that the guys who are big on "asserting command" were usually pretty insecure. Leadership is recognized, if you're doing it right you don't need to verbalize it...unless the guy in the right seat is being a dingleberry.
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This is true of many CA's and of people here as well.......
 
NovemberEcho said:
Well when the drunk guy got into his car that night, it's not like he set off wanting to, knowing, and planning to crash.

He'd driven that route home drunk plenty of time and made it safe. He had always stayed between the lines. Why would this night be any different?

If you've ever been buzzed you know exactly what the mentality.

If a drunk driver got in a head-on and killed a family you'd call him a murderer wouldn't you? This isn't any different just because he's a pilot.
You are held accountable for your decisions, and if extremely negligent and deliberate and you kill people because of it, it is murder. I beleive there's even a term, "negligent homicide" or then laymans "homicide through extreme stupidity".
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This isn't the same thing.
 
NovemberEcho said:
How is it not?
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Drinking already impairs you from the get go. No good decisions can be made if you're drunk enough to not operate machinery safely. Driving drunk is already breaking the law.

I honestly don't know what the IFR laws are down in Brazil, Bolivia, or Columbia. Suffice to say, this flight was approved by multiple sources (pilot PIC, the airline itself, and ATC).

It just isn't the same thing.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Drinking already impairs you from the get go. No good decisions can be made if you're drunk enough to not operate machinery safely. Driving drunk is already breaking the law.

I honestly don't know what the IFR laws are down in Brazil, Bolivia, or Columbia. Suffice to say, this flight was approved by multiple sources (pilot PIC, the airline itself, and ATC).

It just isn't the same thing.
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none of that refutes what I said. Hell, at least the drunk driver had an excuse for his bad decision making. This pilot has none other than ego.
 
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