And so it begins (AMOCs for Part 117)

[Autothrust Blue]

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FAA-2016-9420-0001

tl;dr: Petitioner requests to deviate from 14 CFR 117 Table A limits by up to :45 provided that (1) pilot's FDP reports between 0700 and 1259 domicile time, and (2) the pilot's FDP will terminate (including any applicable extensions) prior to 0100 domicile time, to respond to unforeseen operational circumstances.

No, thanks.

 

[Hacker15e]

"We'd like to deviate from the law because it inconveniences our business sometimes."

I mean, after all, pilots don't get fatigued during the *daytime*....

 

[Dugie8]

Link says, "Withdrawn at the request of the FAA"

A win?

 

[broncoav8r]

Withdrawn due to DALPA request.

http://dalm.ec/rs

@Autothrust Blue must not be flying much if he had enough time to read that whole thing...

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Withdrawn due to DALPA request.

http://dalm.ec/rs

@Autothrust Blue must not be flying much if he had enough time to read that whole thing...

That didn't take very long.

I can speed-read pretty well; the petition itself was a reasonably straightforward contrivance.

 

[BobDDuck]

I know I said this on FB earlier, but I'll say it again here...

The whole intent of 117 was to have each company come up with a set of rules that worked for their specific operation. They would have to prove that the rules would provide an equal to or better level of safety than the generic 117 regs did and back it up with science. It was expected that most of the big carriers who had money to do that sort of thing would apply for exemptions. I'm surprised it's taken this long to happen.

117 *is* an improvement for many, especially at the regional level, but it does add some serious complications and scheduling issues to some operations. Having a rule set specific to an operation would probably make things better as long as the science part is still respected.

 

[z987k]

I wish I could ban 24 hour overnights. Min rest to 18 is fine. After that min rest should be 30.

 

[ASpilot2be]

I really wish there was a full on duty day limit in 117. Not just FDP.

 

[Van_Hoolio]

I wish I could ban 24 hour overnights. Min rest to 18 is fine. After that min rest should be 30.

Depends on the type of operation and the length of duty period that follows. Short-haul domestic, no pilot I know would complain about blocking in at 2pm and blocking out at 3pm the next day from a rest standpoint, unless the duty period was extraordinarily long that next day taking it past midnight or so. Long-haul international, I get it. I'd hate to cross the Pacific and then head back after 24 hours off. You'd go back on duty right about the time you want to go to sleep again.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Try flying some of these trip. Block out 11pm land 4-5 am. 24 off block out 4-5am and fly a 4-6 hour legs. It's brutal. Swapping nights to days in the same pair is not right, IMO.

Keep me on nights or keep me on days. But pick one.


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[z987k]

Depends on the type of operation and the length of duty period that follows. Short-haul domestic, no pilot I know would complain about blocking in at 2pm and blocking out at 3pm the next day from a rest standpoint, unless the duty period was extraordinarily long that next day taking it past midnight or so. Long-haul international, I get it. I'd hate to cross the Pacific and then head back after 24 hours off. You'd go back on duty right about the time you want to go to sleep again.

Ya, that's exactly the problem. You show up to fly for 15 hours right when you need to go to sleep.

 

[Richman]

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Indeed, indeed. I smile.

 

[Tld]

Try flying some of these trip. Block out 11pm land 4-5 am. 24 off block out 4-5am and fly a 4-6 hour legs. It's brutal. Swapping nights to days in the same pair is not right, IMO.

Keep me on nights or keep me on days. But pick one.

My life.