Checkride Shortcuts

kryan11

kryan11

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I'm sure this will come off the wrong way, but I've noticed a disturbing trend with some of my female pilot friends, who simply look for every shortcut they can to pass a checkride. They spend alot of time looking for examiners that are friends of a friend or they have some kind of connection with in order to give them a leg up on a checkride.

I've talked to a few who were thoroughly not ready for a checkride, but because of their connections they breezed through. How do you counteract this? I'm all for equality, but this a dangerous game to be using your connections to get through, rather than put the work in and study.
 
bimmerphile said:
You've never had guy friends that do the same thing?
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Negative. Regardless it shouldn't be a thing for anyone. I know people who have traveled halfway across the country simply to take a checkride with an examiner they have connections to.
 
I don't think your sample size is big enough to generalize to the entire female half of the human race. If guys were doing this would we immediately jump to gender?
 
BarbieDreamPilot said:
I don't think your sample size is big enough to generalize to the entire female half of the human race. If guys were doing this would we immediately jump to gender?
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The female pilot sample size is dramatically smaller already. I'm just going by the sample size I've seen while working at and attending flight schools. It's a pretty prevalent issue that gets swept under the rug for the fear of being accused of discrimination.
 
kryan11 said:
The female pilot sample size is dramatically smaller already. I'm just going by the sample size I've seen while working at and attending flight schools. It's a pretty prevalent issue that gets swept under the rug for the fear of being accused of discrimination.
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I spend 2 years in flight school and 3 years in the flight instruction world. Maybe you or some other people have been doing it longer. I have not found that behavior to be any more or less common in males compared to females. All the pilots I know who are female are very sharp, and really just want to be treated like the equals they are.
 
BarbieDreamPilot said:
I spend 2 years in flight school and 3 years in the flight instruction world. Maybe you or some other people have been doing it longer. I have not found that behavior to be any more or less common in males compared to females. All the pilots I know who are female are very sharp, and really just want to be treated like the equals they are.
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Well that's good. I'm glad to hear that. This hasn't been my experience unfortunately, but I can only hope that it's an issue that can be brought to discussion and ratified.

I'll just give you my recent example, that prompted me to post this. Two girls are attempting to take their CFI-A initial and have jumped through hoops to schedule a checkride with a DPE that they know and talk to pretty regularly even though this is supposed to be scheduled through the FSDO, and then the FSDO hands it off to a DPE of their choosing. They have both admitted that this DPE has been very flirtatious with them and they want to use him because they know him and it will be easier. They have mentioned that this DPE is going to give them information ahead of time of what he will specifically ask on their checkride. Things like that are what I'm talking about. I've seen it on multiple occasions.
 
@kryan11 I am a male and I did it all the time when I was at Eagle on the 145. "Hey Monty this is Gonzo, I have a PC coming up next month can you keep me away from the ABCs? Thanks" It isn't taking a shortcut it is called being smart, so you are saying your female students are smarter than you male students?
 
I am getting so tired of this anti SJW crap that is so hot right now. I've stopped contributing to certain online communities because of that crap...don't bring it here.
 
kryan11 said:
Well that's good. I'm glad to hear that. This hasn't been my experience unfortunately, but I can only hope that it's an issue that can be brought to discussion and ratified.

I'll just give you my recent example, that prompted me to post this. Two girls are attempting to take their CFI-A initial and have jumped through hoops to schedule a checkride with a DPE that they know and talk to pretty regularly even though this is supposed to be scheduled through the FSDO, and then the FSDO hands it off to a DPE of their choosing. They have both admitted that this DPE has been very flirtatious with them and they want to use him because they know him and it will be easier. They have mentioned that this DPE is going to give them information ahead of time of what he will specifically ask on their checkride. Things like that are what I'm talking about. I've seen it on multiple occasions.
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That's unfortunate. I don't know any female examiners offhand, I could imagine the same thing happening to them.
 
So I discovered that a certain DPE had written a book. I bought a copy, read it, and spent 90% of the easiest checkride of my life discussing it with him.. Is that a shortcut?
 
kryan11 said:
I'm sure this will come off the wrong way, but I've noticed a disturbing trend with some of my female pilot friends, who simply look for every shortcut they can to pass a checkride. They spend alot of time looking for examiners that are friends of a friend or they have some kind of connection with in order to give them a leg up on a checkride.

I've talked to a few who were thoroughly not ready for a checkride, but because of their connections they breezed through. How do you counteract this? I'm all for equality, but this a dangerous game to be using your connections to get through, rather than put the work in and study.
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Take it up with the instructor who signed them off if you don't think they were ready. Maybe become a stage checker at your school and crush people on their stage checks. Don't bitch about women doing it. Just because their faces are prettier when they're playing the game doesn't mean they're playing it any more differently from the rest of us after we come up with a signoff. Get into a position where you can uphold the standard.
 
Flyinthrew said:
Take it up with the instructor who signed them off if you don't think they were ready. Maybe become a stage checker at your school and crush people on their stage checks. Don't bitch about women doing it. Just because their faces are prettier when they're playing the game doesn't mean they're playing it any more differently from the rest of us after we come up with a signoff. Get into a position where you can uphold the standard.
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One of them begged to get a sign off, and they basically gave it to her under the circumstances she take her checkride back home, the other one went for her checkride, failed once, and gave up. So I'm glad in this case it worked it self out, haven't seen it like that with every one.

It's one thing if you thoroughly prepare for a checkride and look for a fair examiner. It's another thing when you cut corners to get to a checkride with the intentions of finding an easy examiner that will let you slip through the cracks.
 
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