How does time building work

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I get that you are splitting costs, but how does that translate to time building for the pilot not flying?
 
One will be under the hood and getting PIC by being on the controls the other will be a safety pilot and PIC by being responsible for the flight.
 
Other variants of that - if one of you is an instructor, you log can log PIC by virtue of that, or the safety pilot can log SIC time by virtue of being a required crew member. But it make the most sense with the acting PIC not flying, and the other pilot being sole manipulator while under the hood.
 
Can't really log SIC time in a single pilot airplane outside of 135 operations. It would have to be required by company procedures.

ETA: You can both log PIC if one is under the hood. The safety pilot cannot log XC or landings/takeoffs in those circumstances.
 
Adebord13 said:
Can't really log SIC time in a single pilot airplane outside of 135 operations. It would have to be required by company procedures.

ETA: You can both log PIC if one is under the hood. The safety pilot cannot log XC or landings/takeoffs in those circumstances.
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If they are safety pilot, what exactly would they log? Certainly total time. As a required crew member, SIC is probably most appropriate. At least, that's AOPA's opinion: https://www.aopa.org/training-and-s...ss-country-time/logbooks-and-logging-time#saf
 
Cessnaflyer said:
Is there an FAA letter on this issue?
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I think 61.51(f)(2) is pretty damn clear on this already:

(f) Logging second-in-command time. A person may log second-in-command flight time only for that flight time during which that person:


  • (1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of Sec. 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or

    (2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
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drunkenbeagle said:
" or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted. "
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It's the same as the PIC entry:

61.51(e)(iii) When the pilot, except for a holder of a sport or recreational pilot certificate, acts as pilot in command of an aircraft for which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted
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AOPA
Safety pilot logging:

  • Pilot-in-command time may be logged if acting as PIC.
    • The two pilots must agree that the safety pilot is the acting PIC.
    • PIC time may be logged only while the other pilot is "under-the-hood."
    • PIC time may be logged because FAR 61.51(e)(1)(iii) allows certificated pilots to log PIC when acting as PIC of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required by the regulations (91.109) under which the flight is conducted. A safety pilot is required for "hood work."

    [*]Second-in-command time may be logged if not acting as PIC.
    • Usually the case if the safety pilot cannot act as PIC. An example might be when the safety pilot is not endorsed for the particular airplane (such as in a high-performance aircraft).
    • SIC time may be logged because FAR 61.51(f)(2) allows a pilot to log all flight time during which he acts as second in command of an aircraft under which more than one pilot is required by the regulations (91.109) under which the flight is conducted.
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Not arguing logging SIC but it looks like in nearly all cases it would be ok to log it as PIC.
 
Cessnaflyer said:
Not arguing logging SIC but it looks like in nearly all cases it would be ok to log it as PIC.
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So long as you can act PIC, sure. But you can be a safety pilot and not be able to act PIC. For instance, if it is a HP, Complex or Tailwheel aircraft and you lack the endorsement, or doesn't have a current flight review, or lacks landing currency for carrying passengers.
 
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