Compensation Changes at B6

Nark said:
I'm failing to see the logic here.
Today, unions haven't been successful in shutting down bonuses, which violate CBA's?
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You would think we'd all be in favor of a 1st year pilot getting some sort of bump, but the company NEEDS it to attract and keep pilots. The union leverages this, saying "you can pay us all more or none." So if the company wants to bump 1st year pay, they're left with the option of doing nothing or a LOA for the entire group.
 
Baronman said:
You would think we'd all be in favor of a 1st year pilot getting some sort of bump, but the company NEEDS it to attract and keep pilots. The union leverages this, saying "you can pay us all more or none." So if the company wants to bump 1st year pay, they're left with the option of doing nothing or a LOA for the entire group.
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"What about the rest of us?" (Put simply.)
 
Baronman said:
You would think we'd all be in favor of a 1st year pilot getting some sort of bump, but the company NEEDS it to attract and keep pilots. The union leverages this, saying "you can pay us all more or none." So if the company wants to bump 1st year pay, they're left with the option of doing nothing or a LOA for the entire group.
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No, Chris is saying that works all and good in theory but today's union have not been able to do that. The companies have been successful in getting around the unions, putting out new hire bonuses without changing the compensation structure for the rest of the group. That's what Nark was getting at.
 
Pay is still low regardless.

Is new hire training paying get the 8% I don't think so

I too think it will pass. I just wonder what the lawyers are missing? Mgmt never gives stuff away for free.
 
Flying Saluki said:
I recognize that. But a contract details the minimum standard at which the parties must perform, yes? What's to prevent a party from going above and beyond the contract? Does labor law prohibit this?
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In a nutshell, the RLA lists pay as something that is negotiated. Now, if the union wants to allow pay changes, they can choose to let it go, but a good union will not. The RLA does not differentiate between raises and pay cuts for legal reasons, but as you pointed out, a raise is a raise. The problem with not contesting non-negotiated/approved raise is another legal matter:

Precedence.

Anything that you do/do not do can be used in legal proceedings as an example of what is acceptable to you. In other words, don't indicate that something is ok, because a lawyer with a gavel may, in the future, indicate that you allowed it at least once, and in all fairness, you should allow it again.

To point out again, the RLA does not differentiate between pay raises and pay cuts so, a party can argue a pay cut is different, but it's much, much cheaper to simply oppose a status quo-violating pay raise, which likely won't even make it as far as being implemented, thus creating the right to start the process by filing a grievance (if it was actually implemented).

My company did exactly this during negotiations. My union sent the company a letter, reminding them of the process and the company eventually rescinded the pay raise announcement. The company's reasons for announcing an apparent attempt to raise pay outside of negotiations is a story for another thread, though.
 
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76% participation is pretty sad. How about we take the raise for the 24% that didn't care enough to vote and distribute it to those that did.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Works for me. I wonder many of the complainers on BP didn't vote.


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Some on there think they are the majority. It's kind of sad, really. They live in an echo-chamber, so their voices seem far louder than they are.

We are all for a good CBA and positive movement. But some of those guys are just insane. Calling for illegal work actions is not smart.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
To too agree Phil. I just hope ALPA legal is on their A game.


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My concern is that ALPA will get fined, and our dues will go to a fine instead of being productive. The problem is that a lot of those guys have zero experience with ALPA or the RLA, so they truly don't get why it's a problem to call for writing things up or calling in sick.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
My concern is that ALPA will get fined, and our dues will go to a fine instead of being productive. The problem is that a lot of those guys have zero experience with ALPA or the RLA, so they truly don't get why it's a problem to call for writing things up or calling in sick.
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Agreed, this isn't a teachers or local union. The RLA is a different animal completely. It's amazing how many internet Rambos we have on the other sites. It is sad that our union message board is deafly quiet.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
My concern is that ALPA will get fined, and our dues will go to a fine instead of being productive. The problem is that a lot of those guys have zero experience with ALPA or the RLA, so they truly don't get why it's a problem to call for writing things up or calling in sick.
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People are actually starting that mess already? I haven't seen that. I wonder if it's a Bus thing. I have heard about the 1-min. late competition.


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Bandit_Driver said:
Agreed, this isn't a teachers or local union. The RLA is a different animal completely. It's amazing how many internet Rambos we have on the other sites. It is sad that our union message board is deafly quiet.
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I haven't followed those boards at all. Too much complaining is bad for the health. Lol


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WestIndian425 said:
People are actually starting that mess already? I haven't seen that. I wonder if it's a Bus thing. I have heard about the 1-min. late competition.


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This is but a small sample of the cesspool.

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