2017.
But here's the problem. Go camp out on the ER (Yes, GOSH DAMMIT I SAID 'ER', @Seggy!) in LA or maaaaaybe there might be an anomaly that lets me slide into the 330 in SEA.
Newest Delta Captain
- Thread starter derg
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2017.
But here's the problem. Go camp out on the ER (Yes, GOSH DAMMIT I SAID 'ER', @Seggy!) in LA or maaaaaybe there might be an anomaly that lets me slide into the 330 in SEA.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I think waived works nicely...
ian
Well-Known Member
i debated the ER in LAX just to get on it but i'd only have 7 below me and looks like bottom 15-20 in reserve purgatory so don't really want to experience that, especially in LAX. I want the fly the 757 before it goes away, and this might be an easy way to get on it now. Ultimately want the ER in SEA or SLC. Before @Seggy claims SJS, the airplane i'm on a trip with right now and that I've flown for years carries more fuel than the ER weighs.Tell @jtrain609 to "fetch" you a scotch, too. On the double.
Dammit, I would have handily held LAX 7ER captain and I could almost drive to work. Stupid seat lock.
certainly not asking @ClarkGriswold for advice on it.
I think we've learned our lesson about taking advice from other new hires, haven't we? HAVEN'T WE?!
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Dammit, I would have handily held LAX 7ER captain and I could almost drive to work. Stupid seat lock.
See?
But you know, it's #uptownproblems.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Not our problem?
higney85
Property of Scheduling
The bigger question I have, is why it's sooo junior. Yea, I'm a regional puke and the first upgrade I could snag, I took, but with the reserve rules at mainline, what am I missing? Yes, that's a huge fragment in nomenclature. I was the low guy on reserve (within the last few) for a while and everything was short call. What am I missing here? The commute can be understood for many, but to get that deep- especially ATL... is something missing in translation? Is reserve that bad? Is training such a factor? Or is QOL that much bigger in importance?
I'm being completely honest here. Reserve at a regional, commuting, was rough. Won't deny that, but even present book it seems to be better. Of course everyone wants to be senior enough to pick some trips and be done, but for the super junior, that's off the table and it's obvious that the super junior guys in the left seat will have a harder schedule... but enough to where others won't bid it for pay and ability to be in the left seat?
Serious question, why the divide between both seats at DL?
I'm being completely honest here. Reserve at a regional, commuting, was rough. Won't deny that, but even present book it seems to be better. Of course everyone wants to be senior enough to pick some trips and be done, but for the super junior, that's off the table and it's obvious that the super junior guys in the left seat will have a harder schedule... but enough to where others won't bid it for pay and ability to be in the left seat?
Serious question, why the divide between both seats at DL?
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Because you can make the same or more on a widebody as FO and have more time off/better QOL. The guys I fly with say they are about even from when they were 330 FOs. 73 Captains. As stated earlier guys bid back fo widebody FO from narrowbody Captains on this AE, as well as others.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
I guess numbers must be crunched in the decision making. Just seems odd from the disparity in pay rates as a single view. Been wrong many times, but logic would say a higher pay rate is better, but QOL and credit ability must factor in. I've talked to many guys at a purple carrier who can make more as a WB FO with great QOL compared to a NB captain, guess it stays true with a widget tail. There is something to be said to be the boss vs a camelion, but the bottom dollar and overall QOL is worth far more.
Thanks for the feedback. We live in interesting times.
330 FO to 320 CA was largely a financial wash on the W2, if not a little less as captain. I spend a lot more on food but get far less per diem.
My hourly rate is higher, but by virtue of the domestic operation, seniority, per diem and time/money spent commuting, it's probably net less than 330 FO.
If you want to make bank, senior widebody copilot is where it's at.
QOL was far higher on the ER and the 330 in the right seat compared to the 320 left seat.
It just really depends on what you're after. For me, it was more than time to upgrade, but the "newness" wears off after about a year and you kind of tire of the moments where you have to make heavily unpopular decisions. Some people are going to love you and some people are going to loathe you and it's just part of the job.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
No, being a chameleon is awesome and this is what work rules get you. Don't have to be blinded by payrates.
Yup!
B767
Well-Known Member
I often said, even while a regional FO, and it still holds true after upgrade, I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I retired a career FO....
....from a place with work rules/pay/etc. like yours.
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
Delta pilots speak a different language.
learhawkerbe400
Well-Known Member
Heard the same dumb stuff from old guys at airways when 190 captain started going junior. Pretty sure as long as you have the required 121 time and any company time requirement, management/insurance companies could give a rats ass about who is filling the seats.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Our CA attrition has been zero since the AS merger announcement. The last CA to have voluntarily left was one who went to Delta and apparently it wasn't our loss with that one. The most recent CA to leave was involuntary, lets just leave it at that. VX's FO attrition has been minimal as well, the couple who did leave were hired in the Fall 2015-present hiring cycle. I think the last FO that left did so after 6 months on property and he's at Hawaiian.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
When are you gonna flow?