DAL CEO interview on APM Marketplace

[wheelsup]

They don't want the 50 seaters anyway. That shouldn't even enter into the equation. Mainline to DCI ratio might be a good deal though. I dunno.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Many have asked about details about the latest company desired direction on DCI. The company has proposed to:

• over a 3-4 year period, remove ALL 50 seat aircraft from DCI in exchange for 50 more 70/76 seaters and increased Mainline to DCI Block Hour Ratio.

While large RJ airframes go up total DCI airframes go down as well as a DCI total seats reduction of 2500. Basically a further advanced implementation of Scope Choke.

So why pull 50 seaters out of the desert, just to return them. Why not just invest in new dual class jets, for 9E to start?

 

[chrisreedrules]

So why pull 50 seaters out of the desert, just to return them. Why not just invest in new dual class jets, for 9E to start?

Stop-gap measure. When the AWAC deal fell through, I think the 50 seaters at 9E were the backup plan.

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

Stop-gap measure. When the AWAC deal fell through, I think the 50 seaters at 9E were the backup plan.

Exactly, because if you want to grow the larger than 50 seat fleet, but can't physically do it, start with growing the 50 seat fleet to get the support structure there.

 

[ian]

Many have asked about details about the latest company desired direction on DCI. The company has proposed to:

• over a 3-4 year period, remove ALL 50 seat aircraft from DCI in exchange for 50 more 70/76 seaters and increased Mainline to DCI Block Hour Ratio.

While large RJ airframes go up total DCI airframes go down as well as a DCI total seats reduction of 2500. Basically a further advanced implementation of Scope Choke.

keep those Kool-Aid comments to yourself. I'd like to have a profitable career.

If they want to park the 50 seaters feel free to, no need for any 76 seat relief...need more than the contractually approved number of 76 seaters? guess you need to buy more C-series.

#scopechoke @Seggy

 

[Screaming_Emu]

keep those Kool-Aid comments to yourself. I'd like to have a profitable career.

If they want to park the 50 seaters feel free to, no need for any 76 seat relief...need more than the contractually approved number of 76 seaters? guess you need to buy more C-series.

#scopechoke @Seggy

I don't think that scope choke BS is going to be what ends the regionals. It's going to be lack of staffing.

...barring any major changes.

 

[Seggy]

#scopechoke @Seggy

I don't think that scope choke BS is going to be what ends the regionals. It's going to be lack of staffing.

...barring any major changes.

I don't know the specifics of the Delta deal. However, I do know that even though this isn't cool to say or think, but there is validity that scopechoke is working at my place.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I don't know the specifics of the Delta deal. However, I do know that even though this isn't cool to say or think, but there is validity that scopechoke is working at my place.

Until Ol Scotty boy changes that.

 

[Seggy]

Until Ol Scotty boy changes that.

That would require a change to Section 1 for the worse which isn't going to happen unless we are in bankruptcy and the judge throws it out.

 

[Seggy]

What's the proposed ratio and what will the total amount of 70-76 seat aircraft be?

Careful.

Some airlines staff based on block hours not air frames.

 

[amorris311]

Careful.

Some airlines staff based on block hours not air frames.

I guess you missed the point that you don't need to bargain for airplanes that are going away regardless.

 

[Seggy]

I guess you missed the point that you don't need to bargain for airplanes that are going away regardless.

It is potentially bargaining to increase the min block hours, stronger JV language, etc.

 

[Trip7]

It is potentially bargaining to increase the min block hours, stronger JV language, etc.

Exactly. Definitely can be used as leverage for greater gain.

 

[Trip7]

keep those Kool-Aid comments to yourself. I'd like to have a profitable career.

If they want to park the 50 seaters feel free to, no need for any 76 seat relief...need more than the contractually approved number of 76 seaters? guess you need to buy more C-series.

#scopechoke @Seggy

Many made similar comments during C2012. Now you have an airline with 13,400+ and growing pilots and 15 month upgrades.

Its hard for many to get over the emotional aspect of more large RJs, but as long as overall DCI seats and airframes continue to shrink, Scope gains are being made. #ScopeChoke

 

[ian]

Many made similar comments during C2012. Now you have an airline with 13,400+ and growing pilots and 15 month upgrades.

Its hard for many to get over the emotional aspect of more large RJs, but as long as overall DCI seats and airframes continue to shrink, Scope gains are being made. #ScopeChoke

yeah because you got yours so who cares right?
it's not an emotional aspect. Mainline has already given away way too much. 50% of our daily departures are on RJs. Sure keep the 200s for the at risk routes, hell even throw 700/900s on them if you want. But allowing 1 more 76 seater than currently allowed is a concession. Like I said, if you "need" those RJs thats not our problem, buy more C-series and let mainline fly it. This proposal is more large RJs and immediately putting the company in compliance on JV scope which they are currently out of. No Thanks. This isn't even beginning to touch the other AIPs.

 

[Trip7]

yeah because you got yours so who cares right?
it's not an emotional aspect. Mainline has already given away way too much. 50% of our daily departures are on RJs. Sure keep the 200s for the at risk routes, hell even throw 700/900s on them if you want. But allowing 1 more 76 seater than currently allowed is a concession. Like I said, if you "need" those RJs thats not our problem, buy more C-series and let mainline fly it. This proposal is more large RJs and immediately putting the company in compliance on JV scope which they are currently out of. No Thanks. This isn't even beginning to touch the other AIPs.

We both have the same goals but different ways to get there. Agree to disagree.

 

[ian]

We both have the same goals but different ways to get there. Agree to disagree.

Yeah because I look past the shiny pay rates

 

[Autothrust Blue]

yeah because you got yours so who cares right?
it's not an emotional aspect. Mainline has already given away way too much. 50% of our daily departures are on RJs. Sure keep the 200s for the at risk routes, hell even throw 700/900s on them if you want. But allowing 1 more 76 seater than currently allowed is a concession. Like I said, if you "need" those RJs thats not our problem, buy more C-series and let mainline fly it. This proposal is more large RJs and immediately putting the company in compliance on JV scope which they are currently out of. No Thanks. This isn't even beginning to touch the other AIPs.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Yeah because I look past the shiny pay rates

The Page One Problem, as I call it, is real, and it exists everywhere.

I can find a way to increase hourly rates by 100%, and still keep the total cost the same; it does not require much imagination.

 

[SurferLucas]

There's a whole bunch of

Here...

As the white girls say..."I literally can't even right now"