IFL has CRJs now...

mshunter said:
Scope clauses might need to be relaxed due to lack of suitable airframes to replace all the clapped out 1900's and Metroliner's. I can see this backing some operations into a corner.
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I say no scope relaxation. Even at the freight carriers.

FedEx once operated Falcon 20s. Why not CRJs?
 
Yea and to be honest, mainline freight pilots could give two craps to relax scope to let feeders fly big boy planes.
 
mshunter said:
Scope clauses might need to be relaxed due to lack of suitable airframes to replace all the clapped out 1900's and Metroliner's. I can see this backing some operations into a corner.
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That's the opposite direction the industry is going. Want reliable feed? Do it yourself.
Hopefully the ups and fedex feeders become a shell of themselves and possibly wither and die just like the regionals will over the next few years with the scope choke.
 
z987k said:
That's the opposite direction the industry is going. Want reliable feed? Do it yourself.
Hopefully the ups and fedex feeders become a shell of themselves and possibly wither and die just like the regionals will over the next few years with the scope choke.
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Says the guy who doesn't work 121. The problem with what the major cargo carries have with what you speak of is they lack the aircraft to do runs like BUR-SMX, or BUR-BFL. Same goes for major passenger feed. The equipment just isn't there. Look at a company like Delta. Just about half of their passengers are moved everyday by a regional airline (pick your flavor). To replace that feed would require equipment and warm people to fill seats. Regionals and cargo feeders aren't going anywhere, for a while, a lo g while. They will change, but I predict nothing like what people say.
 
Inverted said:
How dare you.
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;)
 
flyingbum said:
LOL, you guys are funny. CRJ's at AMF... Bwaaaaahahahhahahahhahhahahhahahhah..... Those clowns can barely maintain their current dying fleet of crap laced flying poop as it is. El Oel
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Oh I knew it at the time, I just thought it was hilarious they (management) kept pushing it as something that was serious.
 
mshunter said:
Says the guy who doesn't work 121. The problem with what the major cargo carries have with what you speak of is they lack the aircraft to do runs like BUR-SMX, or BUR-BFL. Same goes for major passenger feed. The equipment just isn't there. Look at a company like Delta. Just about half of their passengers are moved everyday by a regional airline (pick your flavor). To replace that feed would require equipment and warm people to fill seats. Regionals and cargo feeders aren't going anywhere, for a while, a lo g while. They will change, but I predict nothing like what people say.
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So what you're really saying is that the equipment and people are there, but management at big kid airline has decided they can save a few percent in revenue by paying someone else to manage little kid flying?
 
z987k said:
That's the opposite direction the industry is going. Want reliable feed? Do it yourself.
Hopefully the ups and fedex feeders become a shell of themselves and possibly wither and die just like the regionals will over the next few years with the scope choke.
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Somewhere, a lifer fedex caravan driver just creamed himself.
 
mshunter said:
Says the guy who doesn't work 121. The problem with what the major cargo carries have with what you speak of is they lack the aircraft to do runs like BUR-SMX, or BUR-BFL. Same goes for major passenger feed. The equipment just isn't there. Look at a company like Delta. Just about half of their passengers are moved everyday by a regional airline (pick your flavor). To replace that feed would require equipment and warm people to fill seats. Regionals and cargo feeders aren't going anywhere, for a while, a lo g while. They will change, but I predict nothing like what people say.
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You do realize that delta, fedex, united and american own the vast majority of the aircraft their regionals fly right?
 
Roger Roger said:
Somewhere, a lifer fedex caravan driver just creamed himself.
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Eh i dont think that's changing. But if a feeder is going to fly jets, I'd hope there's scope to stop it, but I've never read their contracts. I was very wrong thinking Alaska's scope... well they have none so...
But the industry trend is toward bringing the flying in house. Part union wins, part economics.
 
z987k said:
But if a feeder is going to fly jets, I'd hope there's scope to stop it, but I've never read their contracts.
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The CRJ-200 freighter grosses out below 60K, so it would be allowed in the FedEx scope clause.

B. Scope, Operation of Company Aircraft
The Company’s revenue flights (including Company revenue charter
flights), conducted with aircraft owned, leased, or operated within the domestic
or international operations described below, conducted with aircraft
over 60,000 lbs. MTOGW, shall be flown only by pilots whose names appear
on the Federal Express Master Seniority List in accordance with the
terms of the Agreement.
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Flying conducted with aircraft at or under 60,000
lbs. MTOGW (commonly referred to as “feeder flying”) shall not be substituted
for Federal Express trunk flying (over 60,000 lbs. MTOGW) so
as to cause a furlough of any Federal Express pilot. However, if and
to the extent that and for such period of time that the furlough is the
result of an act beyond the control of the Company (e.g., FAA grounding
of a fleet, etc.), feeder/wet lease flying may be used to replace lost
trunk flying. The Company shall not deploy multiple feeder flying in
the domestic system to effect an elimination/reduction of the overall
flying of an affected aircraft type; however, the Company may use
multiple feeders to assume some existing trunk flying when aircraft
or lift shortages exist during high volume periods. If feeder flying is
substituted for Federal Express trunk flying, any pilots who are assigned
a crew position as a result of such substitution (and not due to
changes in fleet deployment or composition unrelated to feeder flying
such as retirement/replacement of, e.g., B727 aircraft) shall not have
their hourly rate of pay reduced. This hourly rate protection shall end
if a junior pilot is activated into a higher paying crew position that the
senior pilot could have bid upon and been awarded, but elected not
to do so.
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deadstick said:
Couldn't one CRJ do the work of 4-5 Caravans? So , 75-80% fewer freight jobs?
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Timing would be a issue. What makes feeder fright works is that it's timed sometimes to the minute on departing and arriving to optimize when the freight leaves the facility, loaded onto the plane, and flown to the plane. Sure one big plane can make multiple stops and carry lots of cargo. But can it do that and still make it to the facility on time, be of loaded, and loaded onto the big jet. There were some stops on some runs at AMF that you had to turn the plane in less than 15 minutes or you'd be late. I don't see a CRJ turning that quickly.
 
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