Can't we all just get along?

Avgirl

Avgirl

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In the age of electronic media, you would think crew members would work out their differences BEFORE getting on the same plane together. An unfortunate day for that Captain.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/europe/easyjet-delay-over-crew-member-flight-trnd/index.html

(CNN)A disagreement between two crew members baffled a plane full of easyJet passengers and caused the entire flight to be delayed for more than an hour. You may now unfasten your seatbelts, the level of petty has reached 30,000 feet.

The strange encounter was live-tweeted by British TV presenter Dan Lobb, who, even as he reported from tarmac of the London Gatwick airport, seemed like he could barely believe his eyes.
According to Lobb, crew members were removed from the flight, then other crew members had a furtive cockpit powow, and an aggrieved captain tried to put on a brave face for the passengers even as the delay time crept toward an hour.
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The @easyJet captain is explaining why we're being delayed! This is unreal. 2 crew members being offloaded!!

10:07 AM - 24 Aug 2016



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"Ok...if we continue this tiff then the passengers will suffer. If we leave it then they won't suffer at all........sod 'em, let's continue"

10:19 AM - 24 Aug 2016


To be clear, according to Lobb, the reason for the shuffle wasn't related to anything physical or even particularly interesting. The crew members just straight up didn't like each other.

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They just don't like each other!! A disagreement over unwrapping water bottles or something!! https://twitter.com/ocallaghanjo/status/768452001495650304 …

10:21 AM - 24 Aug 2016


As it happens, the band Disclosure was also on the flight on their way to play a gig in Belfast. They tweeted their displeasure with the delay.
After the flight landed safely in Belfast, easyJet's Twitter account explained why, for an hour-long flight, it was worth it to separate two co-workers who maybe-sorta-kinda couldn't get on the same page.
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This is a first. My @easyJet flight has returned to gate because the cabin crew have had a tiff! 1 crew member being offloaded. Delayed.


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@danlobb Hi Dan, safety of our passengers is easyJet’s highest priority and to deliver, our cabin crew need to be able to work as a team. T

12:12 PM - 24 Aug 2016


EasyJet, which is a London-based carrier boasting low-cost flights, provided a statement about the incident to CNN.
"easyJet can confirm that flight EZY835 from London Gatwick to Belfast returned to stand to replace two crew members following a verbal disagreement between them. The safety and welfare of our passengers and crew is easyJet's highest priority and in order to deliver this easyJet's cabin crew need to be able to work as a team. We would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused by the resulting delay. The flight has now continued to Belfast."
Take note: Your workplace drama may be bad, but it's probably not remove-yourself-from-a-plane-and-delay-a-whole-international-flight bad.
 
bkey79 said:
Not just happening in the UK...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...ys-united-express-flight-by-5-hours/72622696/

Never heard what the issue was with that one though...
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That was a year ago and my understanding it was due to an FO that had a reputation for being a jerk and a CA finally wouldn't stand for it and refused to fly with them. Not sure if they are still employed by XJT. Shame it had to inconvenience passengers. But, at least they were a little more civil about it.
 
Avgirl said:
That was a year ago and my understanding it was due to an FO that had a reputation for being a jerk and a CA finally wouldn't stand for it and refused to fly with them. Not sure if they are still employed by XJT. Shame it had to inconvenience passengers. But, at least they were a little more civil about it.
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It was 100% not that, but that's as far as I can comment.
 
Avgirl said:
That was a year ago and my understanding it was due to an FO that had a reputation for being a jerk and a CA finally wouldn't stand for it and refused to fly with them. Not sure if they are still employed by XJT. Shame it had to inconvenience passengers. But, at least they were a little more civil about it.
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You should include professional standards into your "research" so you can learn how the process works, and how those two pilots are likely still employed.

http://www2.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/ViewAnnDocument.aspx?DocumentID=5509
 
DPApilot said:
It was 100% not that, but that's as far as I can comment.
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I will never understand the point of commenting on something being incorrect, but not providing more information. Most of XJT doesn't seem to know the real story, then.
 
Avgirl said:
Did anyone say they were or were not employed? o_O
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Yes, you did.

Avgirl said:
That was a year ago and my understanding it was due to an FO that had a reputation for being a jerk and a CA finally wouldn't stand for it and refused to fly with them. Not sure if they are still employed by XJT. Shame it had to inconvenience passengers. But, at least they were a little more civil about it.
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Avgirl said:
I will never understand the point of commenting on something being incorrect, but not providing more information. Most of XJT doesn't seem to know the real story, then.
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The point is two fold. It's never a wise idea to state something as fact, which is really untrue or that you have no actual first hand knowledge of. Also, if someone is an employee at the carrier in question, or knows someone involved in the incident, or plans on trying to be employed there in the future,etc., it is a far better professional judgement call for them not to relay the details on a public message board, for a variety of reasons. That is their choice and a good idea, in fact. People do have a career and reputation to protect as well as trust issues and company policies to be concerned with. I would have thought that to be obvious.

Do you somehow know each and every employee there to be able to state that: "Most of XJT doesn't seem to know the real story, then." If that were the case, many would at least know if the pilots are still employed there, so this makes no sense to me.
 
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A Life Aloft said:
The point is two fold. It's never a wise idea to state something as fact, which is really untrue or that you have no actual first hand knowledge of. Also, if someone is an employee at the carrier in question, or knows someone involved in the incident, it is a far better professional judgement call for them not to relay the details on a public message board, for a variety of reasons. That is their choice and a good idea, in fact. People do have a career and reputation to protect as well as trust issues to be concerned with. I would have thought that to be obvious.

Do you somehow know each and every employee there to be able to state that: "Most of XJT doesn't seem to know the real story, then." If that were the case, many would at least know if the pilots are still employed there, so this makes no sense to me.
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So then, don't comment at all. Simple as that. But when names aren't involved, that is about as generic as you can get. It doesn't matter if they are or are not employed still. The incident is what made national news. You are going to have differences with people, but do you take the high road or let things get out of control like the CA and FO did? It could have been a lot worse, and should have never involved passengers.
 
Avgirl said:
So then, don't comment at all. Simple as that. But when names aren't involved, that is about as generic as you can get. It doesn't matter if they are or are not employed still. The incident is what made national news. You are going to have differences with people, but do you take the high road or let things get out of control like the CA and FO did? It could have been a lot worse, and should have never involved passengers.
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But these are the issues that you simply are not comprehending. If someone has no idea what they are talking about and someone else does, that person has every right to speak up and say if what is being said is true or not. They do not have to give the details of what they do know, for a variety of reasons, of which I gave some examples of.

It is not a generic incident at all. It is a very specific incident on a specific day, at a specific carrier, on a specific route, and at a specific time. You really do not know what happened, you are assuming much, and coming up with conclusions and scenarios, when it makes no sense to do so.

Any time anything on an aircraft "happens", it almost always affects the pax in some way and to a greater or lesser degree.That's just the way the turnip rolls.
 
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A Life Aloft said:
But these are the issues that you simply are not comprehending. If someone has no idea what they are talking about and someone else does, that person has every right to speak up and say if what is being said is true or not. They do not have to give the details of what they do know, for a variety of reasons, of which I gave some examples of.

It is not a generic incident at all. It is a very specific incident on a specific day at a specific carrier on a specific route and at a specific time. You really do not know what happened and you are assuming much.

Any time anything on an aircraft "happens", it almost always affects the pax in some way and to a greater or lesser degree.That's just the way the turnip rolls.
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Well, it clearly needs to change. This culture of fear and passive aggressiveness is the reason that these conflicts get so escalated quickly. Either way, speaking up here probably won't affect what story is circulating. It has been a year since that foolish incident. Lucky for them, it wasn't tweeted, pictures don't exist or video. The odds are any future incidents would have all those things.
 
Avgirl said:
Well, it clearly needs to change. This culture of fear and passive aggressiveness is the reason that these conflicts get so escalated quickly. Either way, speaking up here probably won't affect what story is circulating. It has been a year since that foolish incident. Lucky for them, it wasn't tweeted, pictures don't exist or video. The odds are any future incidents would have all those things.
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Huh? What exactly needs to change? What "culture" are you talking about? Passive aggressiveness? What is that supposed to mean? Did you not understand any of the reasons for not giving out the actual details that I laid out in post 16? This forum really isn't the National Enquirer of aviation, so speculation is rather ridiculous. I don't think you really have any understanding of what I have been trying to tell you/explain to you here and it's obvious, that you are unwilling to do so for some reason(s). Oh well.
 
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