Lippisch P.13a — Coal-fuel, Stable to Mach 2.6, and designed during WWII ! ! !

RDoug

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If even half of this article is true, then it's still fascinating. Not so sure about the speculation that a prototype may have beat Glamorous Glennis by a year or more in going Mach.

Nazi Germany: The Lippisch P.13a Mach 2.6 range & fuelled by coal

Interesting that Convair used the design to build the XF-92 and subsequent F-102 and F-106.

P.13a:

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XF-92:

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I have a hard time believing a wooden aircraft broke the barrier and survived. There are unconfirmed reports of the 262 breaking the barrier, albeit in a dive.
 
Probably fake

However, speaking STRICTLY TECHNOLOGICALLY, and ignoring the horrific genocidal nature of the Nazis....

If they had won the war, we would be far further ahead in an aviation sense and space flight.

You know, when things like human rights and such don't get in the way....

Please note the last sentance to be read with heavy sarcasm!

EDIT: The Lippisch P13 wasn't fake, I mean the Mach 2.6 bit
 
yeah, to be honest, this sounds like the work of a Nazi romanticist. Bold claims, not a lot of substance that is supported by science. Hell, an F-16 can't even go mach 2.6 without the canopy disintegrating and the engine destroying itself.

Yep. That's what I want to know.

Some d-bag romanticizes the Nazis and the stuff they did.

Choice!
 
Some radial US fighters were reported to have broken the sound barrier during ww2. A couple stories about the P-38 come to mind.
 
Aerodynamically, there is a somewhat significant difference between transonic and/or barely-supersonic and mach 2. In modern fighter aircraft, it is easy to get into the mach 1.X range. Even subsonic trainers like the T-45, if pointed straight down from very high altitude, you can probably get through the number before you hit thicker air in the teens where you start slowing down again. I'd imagine the same held true for WWII fighters doing dive bomb attacks. However, getting much beyond mach 2.01 really takes a dedicated design, and some specific aerodynamic traits. Not that it applies to this coal ramjet powered prototype, but as an example, every fighter designed to exceed mach 2 uses some form of variable geometry intake/inlet……i.e. MiG-21, F-4, F-111, F-14, F-15. Those that don't have such a design feature, i.e. F/A-18, F-16 (even B-1B when compared to B-1A), pretty much hit a wall in the mid to high Mach 1.X range. Obviously there are a lot of other design elements, I just use that as an example of the added complexity of getting to Mach 2.6 without things disintegrating around you. Got it, that it claims to have been only "stable at mach 2.6", whatever that means and whatever assumptions went into that statement……..however designing a dart that doesn't depart in a wind tunnel at design Vmax doesn't really equate to building a useable airplane that can do things like take off, land, or have any form of acceptable flying qualities. Just my .02
 
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