TFR with 3nmr 10nmr and 30nmr

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buffalopilot

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If there is a TFR and the outer ring allows for aircraft landing at airfields, transients work load permitting etc as long as you have a squawk code and are communicating with ATC, is it ok to file an IFR flight plan with routing through that TFR?

Take a look at the TFR in Cleveland now for the republican convention.
 
ATC can authorize you to fly through most TFRs if you're under ATC control whether you're IFR or VFR. If they couldn't, the Sun Bowl at UTEP would shut down El Paso International anytime 30,000 people or more are in the stadium for a sporting event, as the west-bound departure path off R22 and R26L, and the westerly inbounds to R4 and R8R have to go over it.

The exception is a 30-mile presidential TFR. Ain't no one getting inside that, ATC or no.
 
It's probably a more restrictive TFR than usual because of recent shootings, and truck plowings.


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RDoug said:
ATC can authorize you to fly through most TFRs if you're under ATC control whether you're IFR or VFR. If they couldn't, the Sun Bowl at UTEP would shut down El Paso International anytime 30,000 people or more are in the stadium for a sporting event, as the west-bound departure path off R22 and R26L, and the westerly inbounds to R4 and R8R have to go over it.

The exception is a 30-mile presidential TFR. Ain't no one getting inside that, ATC or no.
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The outer portion of a 30-mile is not more restrictive to IFR traffic than any other TFR. The 3 and 10-mile parts are definitely more restrictive.
 
RDoug said:
Okay. I thought otherwise.
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No worries, here's the actual text for the outer portion:

ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE OUTER RING(S) LISTED ABOVE ARE LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS, AND WORKLOAD PERMITTING, ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. ALL AIRCRAFT MUST BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY. AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR AND MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. TO RECEIVE YOUR DISCRETE CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE FROM AN UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT
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Just look at the TFR in NY when the Pres or UN is in town. You can fly through (most of it) IFR or VFR but you must be on a squawk and you must be talking to ATC. A few months ago a controller out of habit had a VFR going into a satellite field and told him to swuawk VFR. Dude was probably pretty surprised when he soon had an F16 wingman.
 
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@NovemberEcho Another NY TFR related question, not sure if this is your sector but: Yankee stadium TFR
"THE RESTRICTIONS DESCRIBED ABOVE DO NOT APPLY TO THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY AND IN CONTACT WITH ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY OF FLIGHT PURPOSES"
Always thought that if you were squawking and talking you could transit this kind of TFR? Problem is every time there's a ball game you can't transition through the Hudson corridor, either in the SFRA or above it in the Class B, but the few times I've done it (in the bravo, 2k') ATC says I can't transit so I have to make the turn and head south again.
 
bimmerphile said:
@NovemberEcho Another NY TFR related question, not sure if this is your sector but: Yankee stadium TFR
"THE RESTRICTIONS DESCRIBED ABOVE DO NOT APPLY TO THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY AND IN CONTACT WITH ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY OF FLIGHT PURPOSES
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During the TFR only med flights taking off and landing at hospitals/accidents and aircraft that are used for broadcasting the event are allowed in the airspace.
 
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