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USMCmech said:
If I were picking a regional to apply to I would focus first on the ability to live in base. Secondly I would look at pay scales and compensation. Upgrade times would be third on my list of priorities. In a few years, when mainline hiring hits full throttle, flows won't matter as much.

I lived in DFW or ORD, I would go to Envoy. With the bonus, the pay scale is competitive, upgrade times will drop over the next few years, and the flow is a nice card to keep in your back pocket.


I seriously considered jumping from Mesa to Envoy back in March, but I would loose so much QOL that I changed my mind. When I was hired at Mesa, our pay scale was only slightly behind the other regionals. Today Mesa is only paying 60% of what the industry average 1st yr FO earns. Till that gets fixed, I wouldn't recommend anyone come to Mesa.
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Problem is I'm in MIA and I'm not to sure what to expect with Republic's future, and I'm not a fan of the turbo prop with Silver at FLL. Looks like I'll have to find a crash pad in Dallas.
 
GabeOms said:
Problem is I'm in MIA and I'm not to sure what to expect with Republic's future, and I'm not a fan of the turbo prop with Silver at FLL. Looks like I'll have to find a crash pad in Dallas.
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There is nothing wrong with flying turboprops. It makes you a better pilot, plus you still get Fms time. If Envoy was still flying ATRs down there would you do it?
 
ASpilot2be said:
There is nothing wrong with flying turboprops. It makes you a better pilot, plus you still get Fms time. If Envoy was still flying ATRs down there would you do it?
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The whole point is, regionals flying turboprops have shaky futures these days (50 seat RJs) too. Envoy isn't flying ATRs anymore.
 
ASpilot2be said:
Fair enough. I just think some people don't want to fly turboprops because they think they are bad for their career.
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Why do some pilots antagonize other pilots for wanting to fly something bigger, better, smarter, newer, or faster. Its human nature.

Let's be real here folks. Some people just don't want to fly Turboprops, or older airframes. Some people think they are "bad asses" or better pilots for flying turbo props as well. That is FAR from reality!
It's not the equitment that makes you a better pilot its the PROFICENCY & study habbit, system knowledge, mastering flows and procedures, great situational awareness, negotiating with ATC for better route & ride comfort, handling the aircraft in weather & landing well, multi tasking, having decision making skills when the •-hits the fan! Being calm & resolve in character, resolving potential conflicts before they happen. The combination of these makes one a better pilot.

Automation comes with its own challenges as well. I'm going to have to deal with that once i move onto modern, larger, faster, newer, well maintained, glass cockpit, FMS automated jet aircraft. I for 1 am tired of flying " /A turboprops. I'd gladly recommend a jet opeator makes QOL on then job better, especially in humid hot seasons & cold winters.

It's not a TABOO & pilots should not be looked down upon for NOT wanting to fly a Turboprop in 2016! Not wanting to fly a aTurboprop for someone new in this Industry does not make them less of an Aviator neither. Person A loves driving a Cadillac person B enjoy a sports cars, this does not make person B a better safer driver than person A: or Mr. A better than Mr.B

Does a young United FO who wants to UPGRADE from flying an MD-80 to hopefully be at the helm of a 787 have SNJS? No! It's his GOT DAMN preference and natural human desire.

Anything wrong with the new Airforce 2nd LT who Desired to fly (in the late 1980's early 1990's) the newer F-117 Night Hawk, vs the F-16? Or those who now hope & desire to fly the F-35 vs the F-15, a helo, or C-130?

To make another point, Southwest hires a lot of military pilots, yet on most flights I've been on, the landings are pretty rough, nose slams down w/Max reverse & brakes pushing my posture full forward. I feel sorry for the passengers who don't fly frequently. I know they're probably terrified each time they land on Southwest. IMHO.

So lets be honest and real with ourselves.
 
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ScorpionStinger said:
Why do some pilots antagonize other pilots for wanting to fly something bigger, better, smarter, newer, or faster. Its human nature.

Let's be real here folks. Some people just don't want to fly Turboprops, or older airframes. Some people think they are "bad asses" or better pilots for flying turbo props as well. That is FAR from reality!
It's not the equitment that makes you a better pilot its the PROFICENCY & study habbit, system knowledge, mastering flows and procedures, great situational awareness, negotiating with ATC for better route & ride comfort, handling the aircraft in weather & landing well, multi tasking, having decision making skills when the -hits the fan! Being calm & resolve in character, resolving potential conflicts before they happen. The combination of these makes one a better pilot.

Automation comes with its own challenges as well. I'm going to have to deal with that once i move onto modern, larger, faster, newer, well maintained, glass cockpit, FMS automated jet aircraft. I for 1 am tired of flying " /A turboprops. I'd gladly recommend a jet opeator makes QOL on then job better, especially in humid hot seasons & cold winters.

It's not a TABOO & pilots should not be looked down upon for NOT wanting to fly a Turboprop in 2016! Not wanting to fly a aTurboprop for someone new in this Industry does not make them less of an Aviator neither. Person A loves driving a Cadillac person B enjoy a sports cars, this does not make person B a better safer driver than person A: or Mr. A better than Mr.B

Does a young United FO who wants to UPGRADE from flying an MD-80 to hopefully be at the helm of a 787 have SNJS? No! It's his GOT DAMN preference and natural human desire.

Anything wrong with the new Airforce 2nd LT who Desired to fly (in the late 1980's early 1990's) the newer F-117 Night Hawk, vs the F-16? Or those who now hope & desire to fly the F-35 vs the F-15, a helo, or C-130?

To make another point, Southwest hires a lot of military pilots, yet on most flights I've been on, the landings are pretty rough, nose slams down w/Max reverse & brakes pushing my posture full forward. I feel sorry for the passengers who don't fly frequently. I know they're probably terrified each time they land on Southwest. IMHO.

So lets be honest and real with ourselves.
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Oh I agree. I just feel some people think flying turboprops will somehow hurt their career. Which it won't.
 
ScorpionStinger said:
To make another point, Southwest hires a lot of military pilots, yet on most flights I've been on, the landings are pretty rough, nose slams down w/Max reverse & brakes pushing my posture full forward. I feel sorry for the passengers who don't fly frequently. I know they're probably terrified each time they land on Southwest. IMHO.

So lets be honest and real with ourselves.
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It's kind of ridiculous when passengers tell me that they can tell if a pilot is a Navy pilot based on their landings, but I don't know what to say when other pilots get into it.
 
ASpilot2be said:
There is nothing wrong with flying turboprops. It makes you a better pilot, plus you still get Fms time. If Envoy was still flying ATRs down there would you do it?
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One of the guys that was in my new hire class came from Silver and said they never had operational FMS in any airplane. /A all day
 
ASpilot2be said:
Interesting. The two planes we got from them both had an FMS
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They deactivated the units that were installed after Universal stopped supporting that particular unit.

They slowly installed the new Universal units, and if you were based outside of Florida in the first year or so after they started installing the units, you rarely saw one with an FMS.

As far as /A all the time... that was only if you called dispatch and forced them to change the /G equipment code and the direct routing to /A with appropriate fixes.
 
mastermags said:
It's kind of ridiculous when passengers tell me that they can tell if a pilot is a Navy pilot based on their landings, but I don't know what to say when other pilots get into it.
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It's funny you find it ridiculous because I never said Navy pilot, you did. I may have "sounded" a bit naive, I'll admit. I'll give you that, so for the sake of clarification here is what I mean and Intend to convey.

I had no idea military pilots were infallible! That's kind of the point i was trying to make. I was just speaking with a Air Force C-130 pilots last week, and another who just finishing C-130 school two weeks ago and is headed to his unit great conversations we had at the hotel. From what I gathered from our conversation, they too are far from being Infallible; much like you and I. That's kind of the point I was trying to make (as a former service member maintenance personnel myself, believe me, lol).


P.s.Sorry for the thread jack folks, back to Envoy training and all things ENVY.
 
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ctab5060X said:
They deactivated the units that were installed after Universal stopped supporting that particular unit.

They slowly installed the new Universal units, and if you were based outside of Florida in the first year or so after they started installing the units, you rarely saw one with an FMS.

As far as /A all the time... that was only if you called dispatch and forced them to change the /G equipment code and the direct routing to /A with appropriate fixes.
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The ones we got have universal 1lw I think it is
 
ScorpionStinger said:
Does a young United FO who wants to UPGRADE from flying an MD-80 to hopefully be at the helm of a 787 have SNJS? No! It's his GOT DAMN preference and natural human desire.
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When guys at major airlines want to fly bigger equipment, it is almost exclusively about money and QOL, and not some excitement about flying something bigger or better. Sometimes it is about job satisfaction, but that's mostly in the form of types of flying and destinations (e.g. domestic vs international, Asia vs South America, etc).

At some point, you will have the experience and perspective to get why a good chunk of experienced professional pilots look at guys who rant about not wanting to fly turboprops, and find that a very naive and ridiculous attitude to have as a professional pilot. I count my time flying King Airs as one of the more formative portions of a career that has encompassed fighters in combat on one end and airliners on the other. If I could fly one again for the QOL and money at my current airline, I would in a heartbeat.
 
ctab5060X said:
Got a little time in both those birds.

Although I never flew 331 as 331, but as 430XJ :)

I know 361 was a leased aircraft, and I think 331 was as well.

Miss that airplane... but not the paycheck!
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I bet! It's a great airplane. When 331 got to us it was a real piece of crap.
 
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