Breastfeeding F9 Pilots Want Privacy at Work

Weighing in on the post above, not necessarily the whole breastfeeding issue...

All that stuff a woman pilot would need to do to climb the ladder certainly is hard to do while prego. Life is about choices, does she want to be a mother or does she want to be superpilot? I'm not saying it's all or nothing, but again, certain things have to be sacrificed for other things, in most areas of life. I'm not sure why this is such a huge deal, like pregnancy/motherhood is a right or something - (that didn't come out quite right, not sounding how I meant it, I'm in a hurry lol)

As a woman, it's still a choice, it takes two. So they can allow themselves to be pressured into it and be resentful or they can make a choice based on their priorities, or better yet, talk about these things and be on the same page before getting married. I get what you're saying, and I agree - it's easy for a man to hit and quit but your email also is like a 1950's view of how helpless women are and how they don't get a choice in how they will live their lives since the man is the boss apparently and is the traditional breadwinner type.
 
AM011309 said:
Weighing in on the post above, not necessarily the whole breastfeeding issue...

All that stuff a woman pilot would need to do to climb the ladder certainly is hard to do while prego. Life is about choices, does she want to be a mother or does she want to be superpilot? I'm not saying it's all or nothing, but again, certain things have to be sacrificed for other things, in most areas of life. I'm not sure why this is such a huge deal, like pregnancy/motherhood is a right or something - (that didn't come out quite right, not sounding how I meant it, I'm in a hurry lol)

As a woman, it's still a choice, it takes two. So they can allow themselves to be pressured into it and be resentful or they can make a choice based on their priorities, or better yet, talk about these things and be on the same page before getting married. I get what you're saying, and I agree - it's easy for a man to hit and quit but your email also is like a 1950's view of how helpless women are and how they don't get a choice in how they will live their lives since the man is the boss apparently and is the traditional breadwinner type.
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Women are more empowered today, but they still can still face a host of issues biological and otherwise when it comes to juggling career and family planning. Jobs that are traditionally women dominated like nursing or teaching are obviously going to be better and more accommodating in terms of the topic of breastfeeding and maternity leave. Than say a field that has more traditionally been a male dominated field. The conversation has morphed so considerably since the beginning post. But there just seems to be an overall tone of. "You knew what you got into before you joined." Or the all too dickish everything is a choice comments. Where guys have basically been saying, "you chose to be a mother, and a pilot, now shut up and just deal with the consequences. Of your choice." Possibly not aware again that men have less barriers in that regard than women do.

Which was my entire point, to try to enlighten those individuals, that it's not so cut and dried. Or black and white as it seems only from their perspective.
 
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Stone Cold said:
So have you guys solved the women's issues yet? :cool:
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I don't really think that that was the point. The topic was started about the company not having maternity leave, and forcing women back to work prematurely. And not then offering them basic services as avenues of consideration for their current situation.

Lastly... I know totally meant in sarcasm. But is the point of this board and others to actually solve the issue, or just talk about the issues at hand (ad nausem) and listen to and gather opinions. Again I know the post was probably said in sarcasm. But every so often some poster post a topic, and gets yelled at, and told to look it up instead. Do your own work. Or comments like yours are said, when a thread has been going on forever, there's bickering back and forth and the thread is on it's fiftieth page.

If that were the case, then why even have a forum like this? Why are we even here?
 
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AM011309 said:
Weighing in on the post above, not necessarily the whole breastfeeding issue...

All that stuff a woman pilot would need to do to climb the ladder certainly is hard to do while prego. Life is about choices, does she want to be a mother or does she want to be superpilot? I'm not saying it's all or nothing, but again, certain things have to be sacrificed for other things, in most areas of life. I'm not sure why this is such a huge deal, like pregnancy/motherhood is a right or something - (that didn't come out quite right, not sounding how I meant it, I'm in a hurry lol)

As a woman, it's still a choice, it takes two. So they can allow themselves to be pressured into it and be resentful or they can make a choice based on their priorities, or better yet, talk about these things and be on the same page before getting married. I get what you're saying, and I agree - it's easy for a man to hit and quit but your email also is like a 1950's view of how helpless women are and how they don't get a choice in how they will live their lives since the man is the boss apparently and is the traditional breadwinner type.
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Why can't we have it all? It shouldn't be about having to make a choice, especially at the beginning of a career when you don't really know what you want. Otherwise, aren't we just holding ourselves back? There are many examples of women that are able to be successful AND have a family. It shouldn't be an either/or thing. It is a form of discrimination to set a work environment in such a way that it excludes anyone from it if they choose family over something where you are very much replaceable, regardless of if you are a woman or a man. A family will always be there for you, but a job won't be. Choose a job over anything else, and you will always lose.
 
I'm sorry to say this, but we/she/he can't have it all, period. Life is about choice, if your to weak to choose career over kids or kids over career, don't come into my job telling me that you want this to make your life better.

Now back to subject at hand, I'm sorry for these women who choose a job that does not have breast feeding stations at each gate they pull into, sorry you have bid an 12 hour day. If your at Frontier you had full knowledge of the life, you took the job, knowing the job and now you want to be special. It's not like frontier or these airports have not tried, and yes I'm sorry it's not ideal. But if you want to breastfeed like at home, then stay at home.
 
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I'm sorry to say this, but we/she/he can't have it all, period. Life is about choice, if your to weak to choose career over kids or kids over career, don't come into my job telling me that you want this to make your life better.

Now back to subject at hand, I'm sorry for these women who choose a job that does not have breast feeding stations at each gate they pull into, sorry you have bid an 12 hour day. If your at Frontier you had full knowledge of the life, you took the job, knowing the job and now you want to be special. It's not like frontier or these airports have not tried, and yes I'm sorry it's not ideal. But if you want to breastfeed like at home, then stay at home.
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It's gonna come out either way. Do you really want to fly with a Captain or FO who's shirt is soaked from lactating???

Simply having maternity leave available for new mothers would probably be a far better alternative and a much better arrangement for the women in question. Than having milking rooms, can we at least agree on that???
 
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100% agree, but now we get into how long, and do they get paid. I think that the airlines are the best example for what true equality in the work force looks like and guess what, unfortunately some people don't like it, but complain how much more they need.
 
SFLAX said:
100% agree, but now we get into how long, and do they get paid. I think that the airlines are the best example for what true equality in the work force looks like and guess what, unfortunately some people don't like it, but complain how much more they need.
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What's the norm, six to eight weeks? Three months?

I think that if there is not enough time available, they should seek out an LOA or FMLA. But I don't believe that, those options should be their only options.
 
SFLAX said:
100% agree, but now we get into how long, and do they get paid. I think that the airlines are the best example for what true equality in the work force looks like and guess what, unfortunately some people don't like it, but complain how much more they need.
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If you want to spin it like that, why not, to be fair, offer both leave for both the father and the mother. It is starting to become the norm, and making employees very happy. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...panies-with-the-best-paternity-leave-benefits
 
FmLA is available. And I will agree it should be the norm if that attracted employees but to be honest in the airline industry it is not on the top of the list or is it in the top 10 for most. As for the suites they are asking for paid maturity leave, and since it's a CBA they can't win, all the pilot can do is ask for it during section 6.
 
Let me ask you this, are there any airlines that already have good maternity/paternity leave policies? Although I know working for the majors is mostly because of the pay increase, do any have additional perks like that?
 
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FmLA is available. And I will agree it should be the norm if that attracted employees but to be honest in the airline industry it is not on the top of the list or is it in the top 10 for most. As for the suites they are asking for paid maturity leave, and since it's a CBA they can't win, all the pilot can do is ask for it during section 6.
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How can I get me some of that paid maturity leave? ;)

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Typo...but I considered my furlough immaturity pay, I worked as a bar back in st. Thomas and did not mature at all. As for most airlines, major or not FMLA is an option and I know I took all my vacation and sick time first then my state paid me 12 weeks of unemployment . So I got paid for about 17 weeks.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
All I'm saying is it's good to have an XY chromosome. Isn't it? Nature blessed us well, didn't it? We can just be like a bee, and fly from flower to flower and pollinate it and dip out and be done. Done! And not have to necessarily be too involved with the after effect consequences too much after spreading our seed around. Because we are men. Go ahead now and beat upon your chest like King Kong, knuckle draggers. Awesome, isn't it? Let me just grab a hold of my BBC, and hold on real tight and hang on while saying and sing the mighty praises to high holy Jesus. Hallelujah. Amen!

I mean we don't have to deal with all those the annoying body, and hormonal changes. Retaining water, and body fat. The constant urination, the feelings of uncomfort FOR NINE months. The difficulty of sleep. Oh and the really big one, delivery. And I'm sure that I left out several others that they deal with, for raising YOUR CHILDREN!!! BUT WAIT... IT'S NOT OVER!!! ( said in my best, Matthew Lilliard's voice from Scream) They still have to take care of that baby afterwards too.

Women they're not like men, who can just drop a load, literally. And just go back to work so easy. Where as in a man's case he doesn't necessarily have to worry about how dropping his seed will, affect his career progression. Then there's the gender norm and societal issues, men are viewed as the providers. So it's culturally okay for them to go back out into the workforce, easy-peasy without even a second thought. Because he has to kill that Tyrannosaurs and bring it home, and it's his wives triple duty to cook it up for him. While keeping the house clean, and tending to a man's offspring.

I think as a man a lot of you here have no clue what you're talking about. Because you're dealing with things that you can never possibly ever understand, for the simple fact that God "blessed" you with a cock and an XY chromosome. And many maybe even myself included. We have no idea, just how good it is that we have it.

But I'm sure that many of you would be out here singing a Negro spirituals about how we shall overcome, someday. If the situation was reversed, and it was men biologically that assumed the maternal parenting role like a few other species in nature. I would say talk what you know, but you guys already are. You know nothing of the many perils of being a women, and a wife and a mother.

Because you have no clue. No f'ing idea what it is to be a women and have to deal with all the societal pressures that come along with that. How culturally women are expected to sacrifice their futures, their hopes and dreams for their husbands aspirations. And are to be quiet, and stay in the background to be the foundation of a man's success, and future career progression. A women is supposed to be the silent, smile and be wind beneath his wings. And how it can negatively affect their own rise in their career progression, if they want to have it all. Children, a husband and a career. Or how women are expected to just bury their femininity, and blend in, in the workplace and pretend to just be one of the boys. To be able to rise up to eventually bang their head on the glass ceiling. Then when they do, they're demeaned and accused of sleeping their way to the top, and not getting their on their own merits.Or being a righteous man-hating, ball busting bitch.

So reach down dudes, way down between your legs and grab your dicks in hand. Tap your Ruby slippers together three times, with your eyes closed, and say it with me now.

There's nothing like being a man. There's nothing like being a man. There's nothing like being a man!
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If you're finished I could really go for a sandwich.
 
So, which airlines offer paid leave for pregnancies? What is the maximum length?

Which airlines guarantee paid office positions for pilots while they wait to return to flying?

Which airlines provide lactation facilities for pilots at all airports served?

Finally, which airlines provide more accomodating flight schedules to lactating pilots?

These are honest questions, not a veiled attempt to make a point (although I suspect there may be one in there).
 
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