Proposed FAR Changes

[MidlifeFlyer]

The FAA issued a proposed rule this morning. It deals with a number of training, instrument currency and one logging issues. It can be read at http://1.usa.gov/2203vVS.

If interested, I put together a summary on one of my Facebook pages

One of the interesting proposals from a CFI standpoint is yet another reversal of the FA's position. This proposal includes returning the authority of a CFII without the applicable CFI-Aircraft rating to teach instruments.

 

[hook_dupin]

I found the use of TAAs for a commercial applicant in place of a complex to be the most forward thinking.

 

[ppragman]

I found the use of TAAs for a commercial applicant in place of a complex to be the most forward thinking.

I agree - this is a solid change.

 

[deadstick]

A certain plastic airplane manufacturer from MN has been pushing this for at least 10 years.

 

[hook_dupin]

A certain plastic airplane manufacturer from MN has been pushing this for at least 10 years.

The Vero Beach airplane manufacturer only makes complex aircraft through custom order now as well.

 

[deadstick]

At one time, the solution was a fake gear handle and light that stuck to the instrument panel. Abracadabra--a complex airplane.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

At one time, the solution was a fake gear handle and light that stuck to the instrument panel. Abracadabra--a complex airplane.

I recall when Sportys was selling those. I always figured it almost had to lead to gear ups since the primary lesson it taught was, if you forget to put the gear down, nothing bad happens.

 

[tcco94]

Why would they change the rule of CFI-I being able to give instruction in an airplane without a CFI-A?

What's the point of getting the CFI-A if my commercial cert has single & multi engine on it then...and does that mean I can give instruction in a multi for CFI-I even though I don't have my MEI?

 

[tlewis95]

Why would they change the rule of CFI-I being able to give instruction in an airplane without a CFI-A?

What's the point of getting the CFI-A if my commercial cert has single & multi engine on it then...and does that mean I can give instruction in a multi for CFI-I even though I don't have my MEI?

Yes. You don't have to be the acting PIC to instruct

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

Why would they change the rule of CFI-I being able to give instruction in an airplane without a CFI-A?

Want a WAG? Because that's the way the rule was for years, as Flight Standards wanted it.

For a long time a CFI-I without a CFI-A was permitted to give instrument instruction in an airplane. You will find it in the old, orphaned Part 61 FAQ going back about 15 years. You will find it in FSIMS. OTOH, arms of the Chief Counsel's office disagreed. There was even a certificate action brought against an instructor which got dropped because of the published difference in viewpoints. Finally, a few years ago, they rewrote the rule. Said pretty much the same thing but it was a rationale for the Chief Counsel's office winning the battle. Temporarily, anyway. Now it's back as a proposal to return things to the way they were.

I suspect there will be a good number of comments on this one and the final wording of the rule will be the result.

What's the point of getting the CFI-A if my commercial cert has single & multi engine on it then...and does that mean I can give instruction in a multi for CFI-I even though I don't have my MEI?

If the proposed rule becomes final, and if you only want to teach instruments, with a CFI-Instrument Airplane you will be able to teach instruments in any airplane in which you have commercial ratings.

The point to getting the CFI-A is to be able to teach primary students, give flight reviews, transition training, checkouts, etc etc. Anything other than instrument training.

 

[ahw01]

I guess it's the same with AGI vs IGI. A similar question is as to whether an IGI or a CFII can instruct in the sim.

I remember doing my CFII initial and thinking this isn't worth anything until the airplane se addon.

 

[tcco94]

Want a WAG? Because that's the way the rule was for years, as Flight Standards wanted it.

For a long time a CFI-I without a CFI-A was permitted to give instrument instruction in an airplane. You will find it in the old, orphaned Part 61 FAQ going back about 15 years. You will find it in FSIMS. OTOH, arms of the Chief Counsel's office disagreed. There was even a certificate action brought against an instructor which got dropped because of the published difference in viewpoints. Finally, a few years ago, they rewrote the rule. Said pretty much the same thing but it was a rationale for the Chief Counsel's office winning the battle. Temporarily, anyway. Now it's back as a proposal to return things to the way they were.

I suspect there will be a good number of comments on this one and the final wording of the rule will be the result.


If the proposed rule becomes final, and if you only want to teach instruments, with a CFI-Instrument Airplane you will be able to teach instruments in any airplane in which you have commercial ratings.

The point to getting the CFI-A is to be able to teach primary students, give flight reviews, transition training, checkouts, etc etc. Anything other than instrument training.

Well thanks for that detailed answer! Definitely learned something new today...I've had lots of CFIs tell me otherwise that don't understand the rule.