WX Radar Training

[Tommay85]

It's a metro but ok. You'll make a great airline pilot someday.

Again, you must be a joy to fly for.

Everyone that has worked at my base seems to think so!

Metro/120 guy here. Flown both everywhere, and so does the company. I'm not aware of any recent shenanigans with weather. Delays, yes, but popped rivets or lightning strikes, no.

What I was getting at with the 210 remark is that I wouldn't have gone trough that gap in even a missile.

@jhugz If you had shown me a picure like that after a lightning strike, yeah, we'd have issues. If I didn't back you up with going around all of it or land elsewhere, I'd expect you to have issues with me. The 20 mile requirement that most air carriers have is probably not realistic sometimes, but there's no way I would or push anyone else to shoot a gap like that though. That's ridiculous, sorry.

 

[z987k]

Everyone that has worked at my base seems to think so!

Metro/120 guy here. Flown both everywhere, and so does the company. I'm not aware of any recent shenanigans with weather. Delays, yes, but popped rivets or lightning strikes, no.

Nah man, you have to cowboy that • up! Just punch through! Makes you a superior pilot!

 

[Tommay85]

Nah man, you have to cowboy that up! Just punch through! Makes you a superior pilot!

My satchel will hang lower than an 80 year old with working dude parts I bet! Which is a convenient size to deal with of course! haha

 

[z987k]

My satchel will hang lower than an 80 year old with working dude parts I bet! Which is a convenient size to deal with of course! haha

You can just flop those big nuts out on the CPs desk when he asks why you bent the wing spar or turned the skin of the airplane into a golf ball.
Maybe slap him in the face with them. He'll understand then.

 

[Tommay85]

You can just flop those big nuts out on the CPs desk when he asks why you bent the wing spar or turned the skin of the airplane into a golf ball.
Maybe slap him in the face with them. He'll understand then.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!! That is how the world MUST have worked at some point I hope!

 

[gotWXdagain]

I beg to differ, depending on geographic location of course. I stand by anything more than 10k thick COULD give you a bad time. Or maybe I'm a complete bish with turbulence at this point...

ICTZ, no way you'd want to do that. This was over North Dakota and the cellular cluster was only painting small and isolated red pockets. Looked alot worse than it felt when I popped out on the west side.

 

[surreal1221]

Way late to this circus and for good reason but Typhoon is spot on.

There are a handful of elements that go into this decision making and it can be quite extensive and he did a perfect job hitting the must know realities of airborne weather radar techniques.

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[mikecweb]

Thanks for the entertainment gents. I truly enjoyed it.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Thanks for the entertainment gents. I truly enjoyed it.

The perfect segway segue for my afternoon dump.

edited for grammar; original error preserved for hilarity/context

 

[dasleben]

The perfect segway for my afternoon dump.

*segue.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

*segue.

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Thanks hoss, I needed that!

 

[derg]

Meh. You guys can all call me a wuss but:

This-

became this:-

…with catlike quickness.

I'm good.

No extra fuel for deviations during convective weather? No problem. I'll be down in the lounge with an Orange Julius watching "Catching Up With The Kardashians" until you come up with a "Plan B".

If I want glory, I'll go fly mercenary in S. America.

 

[PositionAndHold]

Here's a new wrinkle in the radar argument. Just got typed on a Challenger 350. (Thanks @KLB for the Intel). The radar on this thing is smarter than I am. It's tied into the terrain database, so it knows where it is and auto declutters the terrain. It also has an NOAA weather database. Based on historical/location data, it knows if there's a chance of a storm. Every pilot I've talked to that's flown with the system, say put it in auto and if it's painting a storm it most likely is.

 

[PositionAndHold]

Meh. You guys can all call me a wuss but:

This-

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became this:-

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…with catlike quickness.

I'm good.

No extra fuel for deviations during convective weather? No problem. I'll be down in the lounge with an Orange Julius watching "Catching Up With The Kardashians" until you come up with a "Plan B".

If I want glory, I'll go fly mercenary in S. America.

For info, It's "Keeping up with the the Kardasians" and Plan B is a pill. I always thought you more hip than this Derg. However, Orange Julius is awesome sauce.

 

[gotWXdagain]

Here's a new wrinkle in the radar argument. Just got typed on a Challenger 350. (Thanks @KLB for the Intel). The radar on this thing is smarter than I am. It's tied into the terrain database, so it knows where it is and auto declutters the terrain. It also has an NOAA weather database. Based on historical/location data, it knows if there's a chance of a storm. Every pilot I've talked to that's flown with the system, say put it in auto and if it's painting a storm it most likely is.

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

 

[Tommay85]

Meh. You guys can all call me a wuss but:

This-

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became this:-

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…with catlike quickness.

I'm good.

No extra fuel for deviations during convective weather? No problem. I'll be down in the lounge with an Orange Julius watching "Catching Up With The Kardashians" until you come up with a "Plan B".

If I want glory, I'll go fly mercenary in S. America.

What did the company figure out from this? Did they bother or was it chalked up as "bad luck". I wasn't going to say it, but I'm willing to bet all of my crappy pay that painting lower levels occasionally would have found this thing building up, but whatever...

Just to be clear, I rescind my douchey attitude and sarcasm from earlier, but still maintain you cant just leave it pointed at one particular level. Douchey attitude reinstated, I still stand by lightning strikes, hail, and more than moderate turbulence is entirely avoidable in regards to convective weather... The "cowboy freight dog" is being more conservative than the "end all-be all legacy, mainline, jet (like that matters , the 4 of you or more on this forum that think it does are the ONLY ones in the entire world that think this that I've ever encountered/worked with) pilots" then. We'll agree to disagree then I guess...

Over the middle of the ocean, international, ect with not even close to the amount of weather products available, company approved or not, I could MAYBE see issues. Domestic, zero reason what-so-ever to encounter anything unknown under the sun, except for something FROM the sun, and even then, there are things that even forecast a lot of that! Don't really care if you disagree because I'll just assume you're a complacent pilot. Part 91/135/121 isn't applicable in my disapproval of your operating techniques...

 

[Autothrust Blue]

What did the company figure out from this? Did they bother or was it chalked up as "bad luck". I wasn't going to say it, but I'm willing to bet all of my crappy pay that painting lower levels occasionally would have found this thing building up, but whatever...

Just to be clear, I rescind my douchey attitude and sarcasm from earlier, but still maintain you cant just leave it pointed at one particular level. Douchey attitude reinstated, I still stand by lightning strikes, hail, and more than moderate turbulence is entirely avoidable in regards to convective weather... The "cowboy freight dog" is being more conservative than the "end all-be all legacy, mainline, jet (like that matters , the 4 of you or more on this forum that think it does are the ONLY ones in the entire world that think this that I've ever encountered/worked with) pilots" then. We'll agree to disagree then I guess...

Over the middle of the ocean, international, ect with not even close to the amount of weather products available, company approved or not, I could MAYBE see issues. Domestic, zero reason what-so-ever to encounter anything unknown under the sun, except for something FROM the sun, and even then, there are things that even forecast a lot of that! Don't really care if you disagree because I'll just assume you're a complacent pilot. Part 91/135/121 isn't applicable in my disapproval of your operating techniques...

And somehow, I would still rather be on the jump seat of a Delta jet than one of your Brasilias should the occasion arise - and it's not because of how much quieter it will be up front.

 

[Tommay85]

And somehow, I would still rather be on the jump seat of a Delta jet than one of your Brasilias should the occasion arise - and it's not because of how much quieter it will be up front.

There's still a legitimate question hiding in there and if the answer is "well, *the more fun word for poop* happens with thunder storms sometimes"; have fun with that. I'm never going to accept that as a legitimate answer or technique with dealing with any weather. Painting 8-12k would have found this btw...

Also, did they taxi like this

 

[Stone Cold]

See, y'all are missing out on the wisdom of our Russian former 747 driver who is now our chief pilot. According to him, never turn off the radar even below 10k. He's seen hail in storms topping out at 10,000 feet. I shrugged and said as you wish, but inside I'm laughing.

For context, we were descending into Moscow in winter time, going below 10k, with a solid layer at about 8,000 feet. There were no cumulus buildups, it was 0300 and I turned the radar to standby saying there's nothing out there to worry about. Wrong statement with him. Sometimes you laugh, and sometimes, like now, you've had enough of him and enjoy peace and quiet on the beach.

 

[dasleben]

See, y'all are missing out on the wisdom of our Russian former 747 driver who is now our chief pilot. According to him, never turn off the radar even below 10k. He's seen hail in storms topping out at 10,000 feet. I shrugged and said as you wish, but inside I'm laughing.

For context, we were descending into Moscow in winter time, going below 10k, with a solid layer at about 8,000 feet. There were no cumulus buildups, it was 0300 and I turned the radar to standby saying there's nothing out there to worry about. Wrong statement with him. Sometimes you laugh, and sometimes, like now, you've had enough of him and enjoy peace and quiet on the beach.

Oddly enough, the worst turbulence I've been through in the weather was over Germany in a cell that painted green.