LAX morning ops

BobDDuck

BobDDuck

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Is it normal now to run the north complex eastbound and the south complex westbound in the mornings? I'm not here very often, but I've never seen that before.
 
BobDDuck said:
Is it normal now to run the north complex eastbound and the south complex westbound in the mornings? I'm not here very often, but I've never seen that before.
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12am-6am local they do the head on operations. This is for noise abatement. Times vary but this is typical of daily operations.
 
BobDDuck said:
Huh. That seems really efficient but also potentially problematic. Are these only with rnav departures?
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"Traffic departing at the shoreline will turn southbound (on a heading - what's RNAV? ;) ), runway six right, cleared to land."
 
At least, the last time I arrived at that godawful hour, the 25L/R traffic was assigned a heading, not an RNAV DP.
 
It has been set up like that for...oh...almost two decades, if not longer.

Noise abatement and traffic tends to wane off into the early hours it's not as problematic as you think.


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Normal LAX ops. When I was with SkyWest, anytime I did a super early arrival into LAX from a relatively close place like SBA, we always landed East. The other night, now with SWA, we left around 10 pm and even though our gates are a stone's throw to 24L they had us taxi all the way to the South complex for a 25R departure. For noise abatement they had just started landing aircraft East on the 24's while still launching aircraft West on the 25's.

Pretty much every airport in the LA basin has noise abatement policies. Secretly I would really love it if one of you military guys would depart Orange County between 11 pm and 6 am at full burner. . . . Of course while complying with the published noise abatement procedure. ;)
 
Lee D said:
Normal LAX ops. When I was with SkyWest, anytime I did a super early arrival into LAX from a relatively close place like SBA, we always landed East. The other night, now with SWA, we left around 10 pm and even though our gates are a stone's throw to 24L they had us taxi all the way to the South complex for a 25R departure. For noise abatement they had just started landing aircraft East on the 24's while still launching aircraft West on the 25's.

Pretty much every airport in the LA basin has noise abatement policies. Secretly I would really love it if one of you military guys would depart Orange County between 11 pm and 6 am at full burner. . . . Of course while complying with the published noise abatement procedure. ;)
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Orange County screwed the pooch by not going to El Toro.
 
amorris311 said:
Orange County screwed the pooch by not going to El Toro.
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Would it really matter? Wherever there's an airport that bring a lot of traffic and business, people move next to so they don't have to commute 2 hours to work. Then other people move in to because other jobs pop up to support those people and then everyone bitches about the noise that created their job in the first place.
You can build a brand new airport in the middle of nowhere and it'll happen. Look at Burbank. More recently, look at Denver.
 
z987k said:
Would it really matter? Wherever there's an airport that bring a lot of traffic and business, people move next to so they don't have to commute 2 hours to work. Then other people move in to because other jobs pop up to support those people and then everyone bitches about the noise that created their job in the first place.
You can build a brand new airport in the middle of nowhere and it'll happen. Look at Burbank. More recently, look at Denver.
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Moving to El Toro would have simply moved the issue from a sensitive area off the departure end to a sensitive area in all quadrants. El Toro literally sat in hundreds of thousands of new bedrooms not even conceived when it opened to train Marines taking the Corsair to the Japanese. Besides, the Marines were quiet, and El Toro had enough capacity to expand operations quite a bit over SNA. People think Newport has influence, at the time of discussion DC 8s and 727s still ruled the cargo world, start getting a few of those combined with larger, higher frequency newer jets than Santa Ana and the people of South Laguna, Dana Point, and San Juan Capistrano who had been living with the Marines since the 40's likely would have let theirs be known two fold.

Anyway, moot point now, got a look at NZJ the other day climbing out of SNA. Pretty carved up. You can ride a tethered balloon there now I hear.
 
Cazadores said:
Moving to El Toro would have simply moved the issue from a sensitive area off the departure end to a sensitive area in all quadrants. El Toro literally sat in hundreds of thousands of new bedrooms not even conceived when it opened to train Marines taking the Corsair to the Japanese. Besides, the Marines were quiet, and El Toro had enough capacity to expand operations quite a bit over SNA. People think Newport has influence, at the time of discussion DC 8s and 727s still ruled the cargo world, start getting a few of those combined with larger, higher frequency newer jets than Santa Ana and the people of South Laguna, Dana Point, and San Juan Capistrano who had been living with the Marines since the 40's likely would have let theirs be known two fold.

Anyway, moot point now, got a look at NZJ the other day climbing out of SNA. Pretty carved up. You can ride a tethered balloon there now I hear.
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When I was a kid and they were voting on turning El Toro into a commercial airport or not they were doing test runs where they would have the military flying approaches, and a lot of them. I live around Dana Point and it was not so quiet, however when the base was normally operating I would barely recognize any jets flying over.

The balloon ride is pretty nice, it goes up at 400 feet and you really can see a lot! But I'd rather fly around el toro than float above it haha
 
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