AAG Wholly Owned Bonuses

TallFlyer

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March 1, 2016 4:52 pm

Already the largest provider of regional service for American Airlines – offering aspiring pilots a direct path to a mainline flying career – Envoy today announced two new incentive programs to maintain that competitive edge when it comes to attracting and retaining experienced pilots.

Enhanced Signing Bonus for Part 121 Experience Pilots
Envoy is actively hiring new pilots each month to support both our scheduled flying and additional flights that American has asked us to perform. In addition to the $5,000 signing bonus all new hire pilots receive, Envoy will now offer up to $10,000 for new hire pilots who have Part 121 commercial air carrier experience. In return for a two-year commitment to Envoy, these pilots will receive $10 for every hour of Part 121 experience they bring to the company. For example:

A new hire with 1,000 hours of Part 121 experience will receive:

$5,000 signing bonus
+ $10,000 ($10 per hour x 1,000 hours)

$15,000 Total Bonus

A new hire pilot with 800 hours of Part 121 experience will receive:

$5,000 signing bonus
+ $8,000 ($10 per hour x 800 hours)

$13,000 Total Bonus

Apply today!

Retention Bonus for Envoy First Officers
To ensure Envoy’s current experienced First Officers (FOs) choose to remain at Envoy, the company today introduced a retention bonus of up to $20,000 for all Envoy First Officers who are on payroll as of March 1, 2016.

The First Officer Retention program begins March 1 and will continue for two years, ending February 28, 2018. Eligible Envoy First Officers will receive $2,500 after every quarter that they remain actively on payroll with Envoy.

“Combined with our unmatched flow-through to American that gives Envoy pilots a direct path to a mainline flying career, these incentive programs will provide Envoy with the competitive edge we need to recruit and retain the very best pilots to join our team,” said Captain Ric Wilson, Vice President Flight Operations. “No other regional carrier can boast of a growing fleet, an outstanding training program and a guaranteed path to fly for the world’s largest airline.”

http://www.envoyair.com/2016/03/01/envoy-rewards-pilots-with-part-121-experience/

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Word is all three WO carriers were offered the same deal and PSA and PDT MECs turned them down. Company email out at PSA that the company and union are meeting to "discuss hiring and retention incentives."
 
Endeavor or better is what I say. Any retention bonuses should be paid out to the entire pilot group, not just the FOs. And 10K /year for 2 years really isn't all that great. Going to have to do better than that.
 
One meeeeleon dollars!
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Endeavor or better is what I say. Any retention bonuses should be paid out to the entire pilot group, not just the FOs. And 10K /year for 2 years really isn't all that great. Going to have to do better than that.

Agreed! Doesn't Endeavor pay both Captains and FOs? How come the Captain's gets short changed? Wonder why the two other groups turned it down?
 
I agree. This should be offered to all pilots, not just 50% of them.

So you think regional FOs are paid an appropriate amount in comparison to their captain counterparts?

Also one needs new hires and Pilots below you to upgrade, get off reserve and flow. Money spent towards that end certainly benefits everyone on the list. I'm not saying the captains don't deserve money either, but in the end it's the FOs who are making poverty wages, leaving the company in droves, and envoy isn't hitting the hiring numbers they want.

While I would like more money as well, I don't know if arguing and not taking the offer in hopes of more is the right choice, or realistic.

Also I don't hate PSA pilots or blame them for voting yes, but its kind of funny PSA pilots are saying they deserve more money, and all the wholly owned need to stand together. Much like envoy pilots talking smack even after voting yes I suppose.
 
Endeavor or better is what I say. Any retention bonuses should be paid out to the entire pilot group, not just the FOs. And 10K /year for 2 years really isn't all that great. Going to have to do better than that.

Didn't they turn down raises just for FO's a long time ago? Karma maybe?
(Actually it's probably the FO's back then that didn't get the raise that are not getting it now as CA's)
 
Didn't they turn down raises just for FO's a long time ago? Karma maybe?
(Actually it's probably the FO's back then that didn't get the raise that are not getting it now as CA's)

The company was trying to do it outside of section 6 negotiations. That's no bueno.
 
Are they offering theses pay increases in section 6?

No idea. I was just ensuring the record was straight for the actions of the Pinnacle MEC during the 2007-2008 time frame. The company was trying to attract new pilots, so they wanted to increase year 1 and 2 pay only, while they were on year 2+ of amendable date negotiations.
 
So you think regional FOs are paid an appropriate amount in comparison to their captain counterparts?

Also one needs new hires and Pilots below you to upgrade, get off reserve and flow. Money spent towards that end certainly benefits everyone on the list. I'm not saying the captains don't deserve money either, but in the end it's the FOs who are making poverty wages, leaving the company in droves, and envoy isn't hitting the hiring numbers they want.

While I would like more money as well, I don't know if arguing and not taking the offer in hopes of more is the right choice, or realistic.

Also I don't hate PSA pilots or blame them for voting yes, but its kind of funny PSA pilots are saying they deserve more money, and all the wholly owned need to stand together. Much like envoy pilots talking smack even after voting yes I suppose.

You've got wayyyyy more new guys at PSA than there were "yes" voters a few years ago. A lot of those old guys moved on or out. Those new guys know how things played out after the contract votes from 2013 happened, and given the way the industry has changed since then? Yes, the current PSA folks are different, and their "hold the line" concerns are different. Probably goes for Piedmont crews too.

Envoy still has a lot of the old guys around (who are still angry about things) and maybe not so many / not such a % of new blood. Envoy guys should let it go to an extent, since all kinds of things have changed, and try to give it a shot with the new blood at the other two WOs now that none of us are in danger of being pushed out of existsnce by the parent group over a contract.

Never met an Envoy guy face-to-face who had any issues or resentment, btw. Everyone I have met seems to realize the past is past, let's work to improve things.
 
No idea. I was just ensuring the record was straight for the actions of the Pinnacle MEC during the 2007-2008 time frame. The company was trying to attract new pilots, so they wanted to increase year 1 and 2 pay only, while they were on year 2+ of amendable date negotiations.

The answer is no. This is no different.
 
PSA MEC. Just turned down the deal... I get they want bonuses for capt's. But the company is still upping the sign on bonus and the sign on bonuses are now the same as Envoy. So why are FO's on property punished????
 
PSA MEC. Just turned down the deal... I get they want bonuses for capt's. But the company is still upping the sign on bonus and the sign on bonuses are now the same as Envoy. So why are FO's on property punished????
Define "punished."

#verklempt
 
Define "punished."

#verklempt

So, admittedly I've only been 121 for 1.5 years, but this is my take on how this went down. Mngt sent us an email last night to tell us they would present the same deal as envoy today to the MEC. They presented deal to MEC. MEC knew full well that company would continue with new hire bonuses because pre hire money isn't considered negotiable per our MEC chair. MEC says, " we don't like this deal we want more." Mgmt says, "we aren't intrested in renegotiating pay or bonuses beyond what our parent company AAG has already authorized." So my take is that there wasn't anything else really on the table at these discussions and furthermore the company really doesn't care whether we take the deal or not because the money comes from AAG directly anyways. So I guess I just see it as there was nothing really to gain from the discussions today. Both sides knew how it was going to down. If I were a PSA FO with less than 500 hours. I'm already too far down the totem pole to even see an upgrade in the next few years and any other regional will pay me for my work experience already acquired. So why shouldn't I leave? The Capt's had nothing to gain from this deal to start. Hence the FO's on property only lose on this deal.
 
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