Hageland is hiring

Thanks for that info. I was getting a bit discouraged after talking with some people at our career fair in Puyallup last weekend.

As far as "putting on the big boy pants" more like big girl pants
 
Pilotlynn said:
Yeah just worried about being able to handle it at 58 years old
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It's been my observation that people who doubt they can do something probably can't. I've seen it many times in many facets of life.

If you don't think you're up to loading and unloading 2,200 pounds of boxes (sometimes several times a day), moving heavy ladders and dragging heavy fuel hoses, working in cold, windy conditions, etc, and if you haven't done hard physical work routinely throughout your life, then you may want to skip bush flying. There is no doubt about it: it is physically demanding.
 
I can't remember where I saw it, but someone said some of the AK operators have jumpseat agreements and are OK with you commuting to work? Is that the case with Hageland? I don't have any interest going to the regionals but not sure I'd want to live there either (I've yet to visit the State btw). That FO pay sounds abysmal if you don't live there though, not sure where you could afford to stay during your 2 weeks on at less than 12 grand a year.
 
They have a place to stay and jump seat privileges 15 days on 15 days off. That was what they said at the career forum we just had.
 
Plata said:
It's been my observation that people who doubt they can do something probably can't. I've seen it many times in many facets of life.

If you don't think you're up to loading and unloading 2,200 pounds of boxes (sometimes several times a day), moving heavy ladders and dragging heavy fuel hoses, working in cold, windy conditions, etc, and if you haven't done hard physical work routinely throughout your life, then you may want to skip bush flying. There is no doubt about it: it is physically demanding.
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I have done hard physical work in my life like changing an Army tank engine outside in the snow but not recently. Hard to judge without being there to see for myself
 
Pilotlynn said:
I have done hard physical work in my life like changing an Army tank engine outside in the snow but not recently. Hard to judge without being there to see for myself
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Think about loading a Caravan full of 60 pound cases of soda, loading and unloading passengers and there bags for 10-12 hours and doing it all over again. Not all days are that hectic, depends on base and time of year. Add that on top of $66/day and that's life as a Van FO.
Edit: after 90 days pay goes up to $90/day, woot woot.
 
Pilotlynn said:
I have done hard physical work in my life like changing an Army tank engine outside in the snow but not recently. Hard to judge without being there to see for myself
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1. Round up 2000lbs of soda and potato chips

2. Load it your car.. hurry your late

3. Drive for 20 minutes

4. Unload it all

5. Reload it

6. Drive for 20 minutes and repeat.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
1. Round up 2000lbs of soda and potato chips

2. Load it your car.. hurry your late

3. Drive for 20 minutes

4. Unload it all

5. Reload it

6. Drive for 20 minutes and repeat.
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Do this for 6.5 to 8 hours per day.

Still though, I love it and miss it every day. The flying up there I did is the best of my career and there's not a day goes by I don't miss the work - even when it was hard. It was an honest living.
 
alaskadrifter said:
Think about loading a Caravan full of 60 pound cases of soda, loading and unloading passengers and there bags for 10-12 hours and doing it all over again. Not all days are that hectic, depends on base and time of year. Add that on top of $66/day and that's life as a Van FO.
Edit: after 90 days pay goes up to $90/day, woot woot.
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At 66/day with day at 10 to 12 hours sounds like $6.60 to $5.50/hour woot livin the dream indeed
 
Pilotlynn said:
At 66/day with day at 10 to 12 hours sounds like $6.60 to $5.50/hour woot livin the dream indeed
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But you get to sit up front with the big boys :D. #sjs
But seriously, it's not for everyone. Most folks I know doing it have other means of income (second job, working spouse, side bid-ness, etc).
 
alaskadrifter said:
But you get to sit up front with the big boys :D. #sjs
But seriously, it's not for everyone. Most folks I know doing it have other means of income (second job, working spouse, side bid-ness, etc).
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There is case precedent in the state for aviation jobs that pay below min wage.
 
alaskadrifter said:
At $8.75 times 10 hour day (two pilots), that's still only $87.50/day.
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The $66 isn't a legal wage for a 10 hour day.

For your 10hr day with the state min wage of $8.75:

8hrs @ $8.75 = $70

2hrs @ $13.13 = $26.26

For a day rate of $96.26

A pilot is not considered a professional position by the state and not eligible for a salaried position. The hourly pay rules apply, so over time for over 8hrs a day and 40 a week.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
The $66 isn't a legal wage for a 10 hour day.

For your 10hr day with the state min wage of $8.75:

8hrs @ $8.75 = $70

2hrs @ $13.13 = $26.26

For a day rate of $96.26

A pilot is not considered a professional position by the state and not eligible for a salaried position. The hourly pay rules apply, so over time for over 8hrs a day and 40 a week.
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It's more likely at this point that market forces will cause a pay raise, with the glacial pace of the gov't.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
A pilot is not considered a professional position by the state and not eligible for a salaried position. The hourly pay rules apply, so over time for over 8hrs a day and 40 a week.
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I believe this stems from a settlement with some disillusioned Hagies. Or so says Hagey lore.
 
alaskadrifter said:
Think about loading a Caravan full of 60 pound cases of soda, loading and unloading passengers and there bags for 10-12 hours and doing it all over again. Not all days are that hectic, depends on base and time of year. Add that on top of $66/day and that's life as a Van FO.
Edit: after 90 days pay goes up to $90/day, woot woot.
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An older lady who is a full time Uber driver in Dallas I spoke with works 7hrs a day, 5 days a week & makes an avg profit of $120-$140/Day "easily" she said.
 
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