4 Raptors deploy to Korea

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Just curious, does anyone think this might be a weak response? I mean sure there is virtually nothing that can touch the plane, but 4 is a small number. Considering this is a show of force wouldn't we want to send like a squadron? Are the cuts so bad in the military that this is really all we can afford?
 
Just curious, does anyone think this might be a weak response? I mean sure there is virtually nothing that can touch the plane, but 4 is a small number. Considering this is a show of force wouldn't we want to send like a squadron? Are the cuts so bad in the military that this is really all we can afford?

Accompanying those four Raptors were a flight of South Korean F-15's. And American F-16's. Seems like it was enough to send a message.
 
Accompanying those four Raptors were a flight of South Korean F-15's. And American F-16's. Seems like it was enough to send a message.

Considering we usually send a single B-52 or B-2, I guess 4 is an upgrade :)

Dear Leader was too busy watching Psy videos, and contemplating which uncle was next to get the AAA gun treatment to see it......
 
Not to worried about their "drones."

I'm more worried that they launched "satellites." If they are capable of that, it's not a far step to placing one of their nukes on top of it, and sending it our way. There is no doubt they would lose, but they'd give us one hell of a black eye in the process. And I seriously doubt that anyone would come to their aid in an unprovoked attack on the US. IMO, it'd kinda be like a fight my brother had as a kid. He separated my brother and the neighborhood brat. My dad was holding my brother back, and the brat came up and knocked my brothers glasses off and then stomped them. My dad "lost his grip" on my brother, and just didn't seem able to catch him for about a minute and a half.
 
I don't know. I'm surprised we even did that.

It's kind of like stopping to attempt to talk some sense into a raving lunatic vagrant.

All the attention you give is just going to further embolden them.

Just like when someone tries to troll me on the internet. If you reply you give them the misconception that you give a poop and they're on your level.
 
I don't know. I'm surprised we even did that.

It's kind of like stopping to attempt to talk some sense into a raving lunatic vagrant.

All the attention you give is just going to further embolden them.

Just like when someone tries to troll me on the internet. If you reply you give them the misconception that you give a poop and they're on your level.

Jackwagon!
 
I don't know. I'm surprised we even did that.

It's kind of like stopping to attempt to talk some sense into a raving lunatic vagrant.

All the attention you give is just going to further embolden them.

Just like when someone tries to troll me on the internet. If you reply you give them the misconception that you give a poop and they're on your level.
It's more for the benefit of the South Koreans than a message to the North.
 
About 16 or so years ago, I was an A-10 FAC based over there. Just south of the DMZ is the area known as P-518, within the DMZ buffer zone. We were allowed to work inside 518, and south of the buffer zone. So we'd do exercises in that area where I'd have fighter jets pushed to me to work at hitting simulated ground targets in the area. Normal day to day stuff.

One day, another FAC and I were working adjoining sectors about 15 miles apart. Our expected air was from a USN aircraft carrier (I forget which one specifically), and 2 sections of F/A-18s. About 30 minutes after arriving in my AO, a section of USN Hornets checks in with me, we go through the motions of their weapons/fuel lineup, me placing them into the area, giving them the lowdown/9-line/enhanced talk-on, they finding/fixing/IDing the targets, they commencing their attacks with clearance, me adjusting them for subsequent hits, they being done and heading back to the carrier, as I get their notional target damage assessments. No biggie. Just another day.

The other FAC calls me on our interflight freq and asks if my fighters ever showed up. I told him yes, and in fact they were RTB already. Nothing out of the ordinary. He tells me that his never bothered to show. Oh well, probably maintenance broke on the carrier deck and the word just never made it to us out here. It happens. We RTB ourselves, done for the day.

Upon arrival back at base, we're told to immediately report to the Wing building, Intelligence section, for questioning/debriefing. Weird, we figure, both of us trying to figure out what we may have done wrong and trying to concoct a sellable BS cover story if required.

Turns out, my buddy's section of F/A-18s did in fact show up, and tried contacting him on the radio to check in, but no one was there and the frequency sounded unusable and crappy. They hung around in the target area meandering here and there looking for my buddy, while tooling around at 15,000 MSL, trying to match their maps to the rivers/terrain below. After 15 minutes of nothing, they said screw the USAF and headed back to the carrier.

Problem is, nothing on the map matched with anything on the ground, because they had flown to a point about 45 miles north of the DMZ, deep inside of North Korea, and were tooling around inside North Korea trying to contact my buddy and get a fix on anything. The Norks never engaged them for some reason, and they claim to have never heard calls on Guard to return south, nor did they see warning flares being fired by South Korean troops within the DMZ buffer zone. To be fair, I never heard any Guard calls either, that I can remember or paid attention to. I never found out the full story of why this occurred, after my buddy and I had been questioned and found to have not been involved with the situation. But what an interesting situation indeed.

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They only have around 550 airframes of all types, and probably fewer than that in actual combat condition.the ROKAF could eliminate them on their own if they had to. Their air defense systems are more worrisome, but still not state of the art. Mostly comprised of Sa-5 and Sa-7 systems.
 
About 16 or so years ago, I was an A-10 FAC based over there. Just south of the DMZ is the area known as P-518, within the DMZ buffer zone. We were allowed to work inside 518, and south of the buffer zone. So we'd do exercises in that area where I'd have fighter jets pushed to me to work at hitting simulated ground targets in the area. Normal day to day stuff.

One day, another FAC and I were working adjoining sectors about 15 miles apart. Our expected air was from a USN aircraft carrier (I forget which one specifically), and 2 sections of F/A-18s. About 30 minutes after arriving in my AO, a section of USN Hornets checks in with me, we go through the motions of their weapons/fuel lineup, me placing them into the area, giving them the lowdown/9-line/enhanced talk-on, they finding/fixing/IDing the targets, they commencing their attacks with clearance, me adjusting them for subsequent hits, they being done and heading back to the carrier, as I get their notional target damage assessments. No biggie. Just another day.

The other FAC calls me on our interflight freq and asks if my fighters ever showed up. I told him yes, and in fact they were RTB already. Nothing out of the ordinary. He tells me that his never bothered to show. Oh well, probably maintenance broke on the carrier deck and the word just never made it to us out here. It happens. We RTB ourselves, done for the day.

Upon arrival back at base, we're told to immediately report to the Wing building, Intelligence section, for questioning/debriefing. Weird, we figure, both of us trying to figure out what we may have done wrong and trying to concoct a sellable BS cover story if required.

Turns out, my buddy's section of F/A-18s did in fact show up, and tried contacting him on the radio to check in, but no one was there and the frequency sounded unusable and crappy. They hung around in the target area meandering here and there looking for my buddy, while tooling around at 15,000 MSL, trying to match their maps to the rivers/terrain below. After 15 minutes of nothing, they said screw the USAF and headed back to the carrier.

Problem is, nothing on the map matched with anything on the ground, because they had flown to a point about 45 miles north of the DMZ, deep inside of North Korea, and were tooling around inside North Korea trying to contact my buddy and get a fix on anything. The Norks never engaged them for some reason, and they claim to have never heard calls on Guard to return south, nor did they see warning flares being fired by South Korean troops within the DMZ buffer zone. To be fair, I never heard any Guard calls either, that I can remember or paid attention to. I never found out the full story of why this occurred, after my buddy and I had been questioned and found to have not been involved with the situation. But what an interesting situation indeed.

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Back in the doppler nav days myself and another LT got "momentarily misoriented" on the DMZ in the winter, when everything REALLY looks the same and DMZ markers can be covered with snow. I told him to keep going up a valley to the west. He told me the valley wasn't going west, it was going north. I told him no, it went west- look at my RMI. He replied no, it went north and we'd been flying north for a while. Look at his RMI and the standby compass. Son of a gun, I thought. Our RMIs were off by 90 degrees and mine was wrong. I folded the map and told him I had no earthly idea where we were. "Are we in North Korea??" he asked. No clue. We turned to 180, hugged the earth and asked those T700's to give us everything they had.
Eventually we found an airbase with a South Korean flag as the low fuel lights were flashing. We had no idea which airstrip (it was pretty small), and landed in spite of the frantic red light flashing at us from the tower.
As our blades were coasting down some jeeps came hauling up with .50 cals and troops. Told the crew chief to go out and ask them where we were and see if we could get some gas. They threw him on the ground and put M-14's to his head. He was... amused with his LTs.
We eventually found someone who spoke English, had a good laugh with them (except our crew chief, who for some reason did not find it humorous), and went on our merry way.
 
If the Norks really want to put US bases an fighter jets out of commission there, all they have to do is have their special forces troops hit the bars that the various squadrons hang out at in the towns outside the airbases. Get rid of the crews and don't have to worry a bit about the jets. The Nork SF are no joke and no slack to be taken for granted; and are embedded in the South, waiting to be utilized.

For jets that do get airborne, the massed AAA/SAMs, while dated, are no joke and nothing to treat lightly.
 
They only have around 550 airframes of all types, and probably fewer than that in actual combat condition.the ROKAF could eliminate them on their own if they had to.

Using which missiles, and from where? How big do you think the stockpiles are?

Do you know what the Pk of an AMRAAM is, even with perfect shot doctrine and shot discipline?
 
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