Fuel conservation as a regional CPT

[SFCC/UND]

APU to 10k is that SOP at your place? Interesting.

Normal sop is apu bleed on, packs on, and engine bleeds off.
Only time we do bleed on packs off is during inop apu and icing takeoff.

 

[wheelsup]

Single engine cruise is where all the savings are had. I hear this is SOP at Allegiant.

 

[Maurus]

Normal sop is apu bleed on, packs on, and engine bleeds off.
Only time we do bleed on packs off is during inop apu and icing takeoff.

At XJT we swapped the bleeds @ 1000ft and killed the APU. Going to 10k seems like a waste. In the end it is what the management "geniuses" want I guess.

 

[Blackhawk]

I have a difficult time believing this.

See follow on statements by others to the affirmative.

 

[ian]

Good grief.

people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....

 

[Autothrust Blue]

people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....

Aware.

 

[Redline165]

I'm an FO but if it were up to me when circumstances allowed I would SE taxi and follow APU compliance whenever possible for 2 simple reasons.

For me: That is our fuel to fly with... Our (regional) company gives us very little gas to start with so why not save it if we can just in case of that perfect situation of a VFR go around due to a caution light on approach at an outstation, fly around for 15 minutes sorting it out then your #2 for landing behind a bonanza that doesn't put his gear down at the airport that has one runway and the nearest piece of pavement is 30 minutes away when you were dispatched with no ALT or TANKER fuel. Something like that is when those extra 500lbs make the difference between a carpet dance behind the big brown desk in the CP's office or making a hole in the ground and being on the news.

For the company: They write the check and own the airplanes. There toys, there rules.

 

[SFCC/UND]

For the company: They write the check and own the airplanes. There toys, there rules.

It may be "THEIR" toys and "THEIR" rules. But remember it's the captain responsibility. Cold winter day yields longer warm up times. Snow on the ground may require two engine to taxi.

 

[Ajax]

It may be "THEIR" toys and "THEIR" rules. But remember it's the captain responsibility. Cold winter day yields longer warm up times. Snow on the ground may require two engine to taxi.

That isn't the point. We all know that the CA holds the responsibility, however you are bringing up cases that would stray from the norm. If a CA is consistently doing 2 engine taxi and longer APU run times there will be a trend to be observed. If you fly the plane like you're supposed to those little operational hiccups aren't going to negatively affect your average fuel burn relative to the company standard.

 

[Redline165]

It may be "THEIR" toys and "THEIR" rules. But remember it's the captain responsibility. Cold winter day yields longer warm up times. Snow on the ground may require two engine to taxi.

I'm an FO but if it were up to me when circumstances allowed I would SE taxi and follow APU compliance whenever possible for 2 simple reasons.

Thanks for the grammar check. (seriously, that sh*t drives me nuts)

That's why I said "whenever possible" meaning within company SOP's and limitations. I was simply stating when you can SE taxi, why not? After re-reading this thread I do think this thread is turning towards the habitual violators, not the guys that just don't feel like it at certain times.

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

Why do you guys not think that airlines would do this? Why DONT you think they would do this? It would be very simple to do. They don't even have to do anything with the information, at least not yet.

 

[T/O w/FSII]

So so different then p91. My CA and I have taken a nap (disclaimer, not really) in the back of the plane more then once for an hour with the APU on just because the crew lounge became infiltrated with netjet pilots eating lunch and talking about work work work.

 

[Cptnchia]

In 1982, during the winter, a buddy of mine was paid by Allegeny to sit in a plane all night and babysit the APU so the plane would be nice and warm in the morning.

 

[JordanD]

In 1982, during the winter, a buddy of mine was paid by Allegeny to sit in a plane all night and babysit the APU so the plane would be nice and warm in the morning.

fapfapfapfapfap

 

[Autothrust Blue]

In 1982, during the winter, a buddy of mine was paid by Allegeny to sit in a plane all night and babysit the APU so the plane would be nice and warm in the morning.

Thank god for that alert chime.

 

[derg]

This is ok and all I reckon, but part of me can't help but think about the potential safety impact or impact on pax comfort level. We all know there are those captains out there who will be stuck waiting for a gate in the middle of the summer but won't fire up the APU because of fuel savings. This sort of informal pressure might cause some types to cut corners or make pax uncomfortable is my concern.

I believe the great majority of us operate with safety first, followed closely by crew/pax comfort, schedule and company needs in that order. I know I wouldn't let external pressures like this dictate how we manage the flight up front, but I could see some folks taking it a bit too literally.

Data is good, but applied the wrong way it could lead to unexpected consequences.

If it's uncomfortable and you're not starting the APU because of fuel conservation at my shop, you're not adhering to corporate policy.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

If it's uncomfortable and you're not starting the APU because of fuel conservation at my shop, you're not adhering to corporate policy.

Meanwhile...

 

[bike21]

If it's uncomfortable and you're not starting the APU because of fuel conservation at my shop, you're not adhering to corporate policy.

As well it should be, I think most of us are on the same page here but trying to create SOP for the outliers proves tricky at times.

 

[BobDDuck]

Meanwhile...

Funny thing is that it says Delta on the side of your plane too...

 

[ian]

Funny thing is that it says Delta on the side of your plane too...

nah, his all say younited