United Airlines 4th Quarter Results

z987k said:
I have never read their contract, but I can't imagine allowing jets that are only 16 seats less than what they already fly (700s)
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Sadly, you'd imagine wrong.

B. Rights and Equities of Pilots
1. All Flying: All flying as set forth in Section 2 [Definitions –
Flight Pay], now or hereafter conducted by, or which hereafter
becomes available to the Company (including utilization of
aircraft under the operational control of the Company) shall, if
flown by the Company, continue to be performed by Pilots on
the Alaska Airlines Pilot System Seniority List. This places a
mutual obligation on the Company and the Pilots.

2. Operating Certificates: Nothing contained in this Agreement
shall limit or restrict the Company in any way from applying for
new certificates, from abandoning certificates, or from fully
and completely transferring certificates to others. In the event
of the abandonment or the full and complete transfer of such
certificates or portions thereof, this Agreement shall not
thereafter apply to routes or services formerly covered by such
abandoned certificates or by such certificates fully and
effectively transferred, unless the Company retains an interest
in the routes or services covered by such abandoned or
transferred certificates as a result of an arrangement or
agreement to which the Company is a party.

3. Part 121 Operations: The Company will not engage in any
additional FAR Part 121 operations unless all flying is
performed exclusively by Pilots whose names appear on the
Alaska Airlines Pilot System Seniority List in accordance with
the then effective Agreement with the Association.
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EDIT: This language allows the current outsources to Horizon and Skywest. Nothing mentions aircraft size, quantity or block hour limitations.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
"But dude, look at those pay rates! I'm voting yes!"
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Historically, they never really needed it. They did have a pretty good relationship with management, and the type of flying they did, didn't really lend itself to the RJ hoards. Now of course, with the GuppyKiller finally actually living up to it's name, this is probably a real concern. But, I'm not there, so I really don't know how the majority of their group feels about.
 
BobDDuck said:
Historically, they never really needed it. They did have a pretty good relationship with management, and the type of flying they did, didn't really lend itself to the RJ hoards. Now of course, with the GuppyKiller finally actually living up to it's name, this is probably a real concern. But, I'm not there, so I really don't know how the majority of their group feels about.
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I think in the past there was a lot of misinformation about it and people not caring but E175s with Alaska paint parking next to us is quickly getting everyone's attention. But it may be too late. The fleet plan is to retire all the -400s in the next year and a half and the company has made it known they don't really like the economics of the -700s so other than a few converted to freighters we are looking at -800s and -900s and the -8 and -9 MAX with a large gap between those and the E175. Some people think "the company wouldn't do that to us," but I'm very concerned about the fleet plan and who will operate whatever they choose to fill a gap with...
 
BobDDuck said:
Historically, they never really needed it. They did have a pretty good relationship with management, and the type of flying they did, didn't really lend itself to the RJ hoards. Now of course, with the GuppyKiller finally actually living up to it's name, this is probably a real concern. But, I'm not there, so I really don't know how the majority of their group feels about.
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What's your guys' scope like over there? I kind of suspect that an ATR might be a more efficient airplane on most of the runs around here.
 
Dan208B said:
I think in the past there was a lot of misinformation about it and people not caring but E175s with Alaska paint parking next to us is quickly getting everyone's attention. But it may be too late. The fleet plan is to retire all the -400s in the next year and a half and the company has made it known they don't really like the economics of the -700s so other than a few converted to freighters we are looking at -800s and -900s and the -8 and -9 MAX with a large gap between those and the E175. Some people think "the company wouldn't do that to us," but I'm very concerned about the fleet plan and who will operate whatever they choose to fill a gap with...
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Where are the Ejets going to be deployed besides the handful of routes already announced/ operated by Skywest?
 
ppragman said:
What's your guys' scope like over there? I kind of suspect that an ATR might be a more efficient airplane on most of the runs around here.
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Limited to 69 seats, turboprop only. Not allowed between hnl-lih, hnl-ogg, hnl-koa, and hnl-ito.

During most of the day there is enough demand to need the 128 seats and faster speed of the jet. That said I'm about to take 12 passengers back from Lihue.
 
BobDDuck said:
Limited to 69 seats, turboprop only. Not allowed between hnl-lih, hnl-ogg, hnl-koa, and hnl-ito.

During most of the day there is enough demand to need the 128 seats and faster speed of the jet. That said I'm about to take 12 passengers back from Lihue.
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That's...that's actually a better deal than I anticipated.
 
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