Finhunter89
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ok rumor mill what's this i hear about a flow through to a major 121 airline?
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z987k
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Mmmm, if by airline you mean Allegiant, which in all honesty really does not count. How they have an operating certificate is beyond me.
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And with all the red tape that you have to jump through to just to get an interview at Allegiant, I couldn't imagine how long it would take to "flow" somewhere. Plus the numbers would be so low, I'm not sure it would be advantageous to go there over a regional to flow. Maybe they will change the interview thing at Allegiant to a flow. I guess that would be cool but you could go to a regional and upgrade to captain by the time you would flow to Allegiant.
Finhunter89
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No I wouldn't both you guys with something as boring as allegiant . Was just curious if anyone had heard anything
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To be honest, AMF guys aren't getting sucked up by the top companies in droves, and AMF is a really small company by comparison to the regionals. I am not sure who would even need to make an agreement that would benefit that airline. Now if it was Skywest, it wouldn't shock me at all, since that is where most AMF guys "flow" to haha. Now something like USA Jet or Kalitta, I could see something like that.
Tommay85
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Let's just say it's not something you couldn't do already...
UPS will lose a ton of money if AMF fails. The rest of the feeders are in the same boat with staffing. Some worse/better than others. No one can fill a void anymore, not even AMF. All UPS has to do is offer a flow. A REAL flow. Non of this guaranteed interview crap. That does nothing. Their biggest feeder would never have staffing problems ever again. Some should never flow; same with the regionals to be honest. AMF is small enough that management could make the recommendation. Not that that couldn't turn political, but there are a handful that I hope leave aviation eventually that UPS would not be thrilled with and ruin everything.
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Tommay85
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I think most would rather bite the bullet and go to a regional. I'd rather go to a regional than Allegiant. One issue is that you can't get a lot of flight time here in a short period of time, unless you come to PR or MIA and the awful staffing situation is still the same. Everyone from about number 45 down doesn't even have 3000 hours these days or about a year and a half here. Percentage wise, compared to a regional, I'd be curious how many go to a mainline carrier at least. We aren't going to a legacy (for now), but all of the LCCs are realistic now.
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There is no incentive to have UPS flow AMF pilots up. AMF is such a small fish and the the quality of applicant that UPS gets to choose from really gives them no reason to agree to flow AMF pilots. I can assure you with some confidence that UPS global operations will see little impact if AMF disappeared today. Somebody will pop out of the woodwork and things will return to normal. Welcome to the freight world.
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Allegiant was a great idea on paper for a pairing with AMF. Both are on the same level in their respective segments of the industry. I'm just not sure how successful the agreement was.
Anything is possible and the industry is shaking up right now, but that doesn't mean anyone should stay at AMF in hopes that the name will mean something to the bigger companies down the road. Job fairs and internal recs are solid gold everywhere, that's what is most important and AMF is the worst place to network and the worse schedule to attend job fairs.
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Tommay85
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UPS (and FedEx for that matter) is NOT global. DHL owns the world. The numbers are there; UPS would hurt quite badly if they lost their feeders before FedEx lost theirs.
Tommay85
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The problem is that it wasn't a flow. It's a guaranteed interview. If the relationship is so good with each company's mangement, there shouldn't be an interview at all.
The other problem is that we can't even let anyone go there anymore.
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Lol dude, you don't actually believe that UPS would be severely impacted if AMF went under do you?
Yea I would do a but more research on that
Yea I would do a but more research on that
Tommay85
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Their alternative? Most tonnage is pretty moot when the majority of it is domestic. DHL covers the rest of the world.Lol dude, you don't actually believe that UPS would be severely impacted if AMF went under do you?
Yea I would do a but more research on that
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This only works where you have agreements with companies that do your flying. That's why Allegiant isn't s flow through. AMF to UPS could work, I just don't see the advantage. UPS has over 2500 pilots, that makes it a pretty good size company. Size wise AMF isn't gonna staff that airline with flow enough to make an impact. Hell UPS and AMF could announce a flow partnership tomorrow, but the stipulations will be huge. Remember, no legacy/regional flow partnership is going to bleed employees from the regional to the legacy, that would be counter intuitive. An agreement overnight isn't gonna suddenly transport anyone into the next UPS new hire class.
Tommay85
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Oh I agree, but I bet AMF wouldn't have any issues with staffing anymore.
I can't get too specific except for facetube messaging (I know who you are!
), or PMs. But both carriers are concerned with their feeder network.
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Their alternative? It's freight baby. Another player will show up and fit the bill. Sure UPS will have to scramble but UPS isn't gonna fail because AMF goes under. SDF is the mothership, but by no means is UPS flying strictly domestic.
Tommay85
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Everyone is hurting is the problem. It isn't 10 years ago when Merlin Airways failed in BQN and AMF easily took over. If BQN failed suddenly. There isn't a single carrier that can take it over right now. Mountain Air was hurting 3 years ago before there was an issue and we permanently took Barbados from them. The only reason they haven't also permanently failed at carrying cargo to Port of Spain is because there isn't anyone else, not even us, that can take it.
Maybe the Carribean isn't a good gauge, but I doubt it's much different elsewhere these days.
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Oh I agree, but I bet AMF wouldn't have any issues with staffing anymore.
I can't get too specific except for facetube messaging (I know who you are!
Well, UPS would have to do something drastic, like change their entire feeder model. UPS farms their work out to several feeder companies so to have an exclusive agreement would mean no more competition between feeder companies, and UPS would probably have to essentially lease AMF aircraft. If that happened maybe it would increase business and increase the need to hire, and give UPS some promising replacements. However every swinging penis on this planet has their app in there. So it comes back to the age old problem for AMF, how do turboprop guys compete with jet time applicants for the same job? It's short sided on the part of UPS but they will never be hurting for main line pilots.
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Lots of the domestic UPS feeder flying can be done on a truck in probably the same amount of time it takes to unload, sort, fly, unload. I see the freight world restructuring much like the regional world eventually will. Legacies will take the flying back but entering the 100 seat market. UPS could buy Caravans or similar and price these failing freight companies out. 121 regionals are going to shrink big time.
Tommay85
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Because it doesn't actually matter, at ALL? Metro?
In all seriousness, I don't personally know of a single turbo-trash guy that has had a single issue moving into all kinds of things. If they did, they probably shouldn't have been flying for a living at all.