Logging simulator time

tcco94

tcco94

Future GTA VI Pilot
I'm sure this has been asked but need some advice...first of all, do you guys log simulator time when you're instructing? I don't see a purpose especially since it's just single engine time.

Also, I don't understand why but my company told me to not enter dual given for my students on simulators. They're international students so I don't understand why but they said it had to deal with the way our computers and their programs worked where it isn't dual given. If that's the case, then I can't even log the simulator time anyways...correct?

BTW, talking about a single engine FTD...if anyone is curious. Thanks.
 
I log it. Although it can't be used for any certificate or rating so it's really just for me. Also it doesn't matter single or multi engine, can't log it in any of the "aircraft" columns.
 
Yeh it is logged as Sim time for the student, nothing goes in the total time column.

Not sure as the CFII, probably not worth it unless you want super completeness. (ie your logbook should exactly tally with each student's hours)
 
I never logged it in my logbook as a regular CFI/II. Just made a note over what we covered in case my student ever balled one up.

Now that I teach full time in a sim I bought another logbook and keep it in there for the same reason...all the records without jumbling my normal logbook (and no care how I fill the times out since nobody will see it).
 
hammerhat said:
I log it. Although it can't be used for any certificate or rating so it's really just for me. Also it doesn't matter single or multi engine, can't log it in any of the "aircraft" columns.
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If it is 141/135/121 sim time it can count towards your ATP.
 
tcco94 said:
I'm sure this has been asked but need some advice...first of all, do you guys log simulator time when you're instructing? I don't see a purpose especially since it's just single engine time.
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Strangely enough, training given in a sim is loggable by the instructor as "pilot time." See FAR 61.1. So in does count for certain requirements; look for "time as a pilot" numbers in a number of the Part 61 certificate and rating requirements, including ATP.

Also, I don't understand why but my company told me to not enter dual given for my students on simulators. They're international students so I don't understand why but they said it had to deal with the way our computers and their programs worked where it isn't dual given.
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My guess is that their programs are set up to only count dual "flight" time. Sim time is not loggable "flight" time, although it is "pilot time" counts for some other things. And since all loggable sim time is dual anyway, the data is being captured. That's actually a pretty common way for software to handle the entries. If you see a value to logging it for your purposes, I don't see a problem.
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tcco94 said:
All my sim time as a student and instructor is 141 training. How does it count towards an ATP?
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Not as an instructor, but if the sim time while you were a students was part of an 141 curriculum then that time counts towards an ATP.
 
Finny said:
Not as an instructor, but if the sim time while you were a students was part of an 141 curriculum then that time counts towards an ATP.
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Oh, yeah I logged it as a student. Thanks for the help though guys. Guess it's just personal preference since the time on sim doesn't really mean much as an instructor.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Strangely enough, training given in a sim is loggable by the instructor as "pilot time." See FAR 61.1. So in does count for certain requirements; look for "time as a pilot" numbers in a number of the Part 61 certificate and rating requirements, including ATP.
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As someone who spends about 1/3 of his time instructing sitting in a level 5 FSTD the idea of using that time for something is intriguing but wouldn't it still be limited to 100 hours per §61.159(a)(6) which states, "Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section or §61.160 may be obtained in a full flight simulator or flight training device provided the device represents an airplane and the aeronautical experience was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter"?

It would be nice to use the 200+ hours of sim instructor I've accumulated over the last year or so to count towards ATP requirements but I'm pretty sure it's just a pipe dream.
 
We have a Redbird sim at my flight school. I rarely use it with students but when I do, I won't put anything in my logbook.
 
n156499000 said:
As someone who spends about 1/3 of his time instructing sitting in a level 5 FSTD the idea of using that time for something is intriguing but wouldn't it still be limited to 100 hours per §61.159(a)(6) which states, "Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section or §61.160 may be obtained in a full flight simulator or flight training device provided the device represents an airplane and the aeronautical experience was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter"?

It would be nice to use the 200+ hours of sim instructor I've accumulated over the last year or so to count towards ATP requirements but I'm pretty sure it's just a pipe dream.
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You are subject to whatever limitations on the use of sim time are written into the requirements. I suspect that despite the language in the definition of pilot time (I said "strangely enough" for a reason), it's use for the instructor giving the instruction is going to be severely restricted.
 
Yeah, if it wasn't for the fact that time spent sitting in the sim with students counts toward bonus pay I wouldn't even bother keeping track. As it is I just scribble my daily totals on a calendar page as an easy reference of my monthly totals.
 
I heard about 50 hours sim time counting towards your ATP mins...is this true? I looked at 61.159 and couldn't find anything besides sim time towards the simulated instrument. Also in part a(3) but specifically stating FTD/ATD does not count....


This is for a FTD btw...am I missing anything?
 
Again I hear inconsistencies though - currently planning to do 6 approaches etc this month (before the need for an IPC), and some people say it can be done in a 'Sim' ie PC-ATD. Others say, Level C+ or Airplane - Now I prefer it in a C-172 but if I can do it in a PC-ATD all the better

Anyone else heard conflicting stories on this?
 
What does the LOA say? Does it approve that specific BATD for instrument currency? If it does then you can use it for your 6 approaches, if it doesn't then you can't.
 
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