Hawker made a gear up landing at PSP
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knot4u
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I've successfully avoided working on Hawkers for a long time because they are notoriously difficult, but they sure are tough. They'll probably inspect the flap attach points, replace the flaps and the AUX landing gear, do a couple gear swings and fly it home. The one below got hit by a missile and landed safely.
Nope. Funny as hell though.
gne in prog
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They're not that fast, need more room for bags, but they're tough as hell. The one you posted that took a missile, that Netjets one that took a glider strike, both got them to airports no problem.
The one that geared up in Denver was trucked off, a new wing was found, and it's flying again. If you have to gear up an airplane, a hawker isn't a bad one to do it in.
gne in prog
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Quality of repair station should have nothing to do with it where you land during an emergency.
It should go like this-
Is the airport home base?
Yes- Land there.
No- does airport have decent airline service?
Yes- land there
No- proceed to nearest airport that does.
There's some truth to this depending on the situation.
If the FAA investigates and determines that you've overflown suitable "as soon as possible" fields for convenience, they're going to get in that ass. But it depends on the situation.
One crew overflew BOS and came back to JFK at the suggestion of maintenance. They got jacked by the feds.
Another one had a pressurization issue and overflew PVD and BOS from somewhere just north of the US-Canadian border and came back o JFK. Not jacked.
These are not incidents from my airline.
gne in prog
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I hope it was obvious I was joking about picking an diversionary field based on airline availability, but frequently the po-dunk places we go to the airport with the best airline service is also the one with the best emergency services.
fholbert
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Not being able to get your gear down isn't really a safely of flight issue. In my plane I'd divert to my mechanics airport assuming I had enough fuel.
When I was in the USAF we had a C5 with landing gear issues at Travis AFB CA. After making a couple of passes for the the tower then more for the mechanics he was getting low on fuel but someone wanted him to divert to his home base, Altus AFB OK.
A tanker met the C5 in the lower flight levels then he headed for Oklahoma.
Altus AFB had just one runway and several base birds were out, the C5 was put in a high altitude holding pattern for about 5 hours until all base birds returned from their missions. Of course he had to be tanked again, maybe a third time. Finally about 1:30am they let the C5 land.
With over 8 hours notice of a pending gear up landing most of the community was there to witness the event.
No, it's not really a safety of flight issue in your airplane. But PSP has a much longer runway, and most likely more fire equipment to roll in the post crash fire, and we have no idea if there was other issues at play here. Who cares about the repair. That's the insurance companies problem, and they probably just bought that thing. I have a $20 spot that says it wore eight through critical parts, that cost more than it's worth the repair. Hawkers are "cheap". Belly landings aren't.
sweeps
Undercarriage Actuator
Last time I checked the Hawker isn't in-flight refueling capable. Also, the military does lots of stuff that doesn't make sense. Being that VNY is MUCH busier than PSP, lots of people appreciate them not shutting down 16R. They could have had a tee time to make too...
knot4u
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I'll take that bet. Hawkers have a keel beam (Aux Landing Gear) that's supposedly designed specifically for these incidents. If I'm wrong I'll buy you lunch at Tacos Corona when I pay off the wager.
I'll take that bet. Hawkers have a keel beam (Aux Landing Gear) that's supposedly designed specifically for these incidents. If I'm wrong I'll buy you lunch at Tacos Corona when I pay off the wager.
From my understanding of that keel beam, it just houses some hydraulic lines.
Remind me to never loan you my car!
Isn't it a BMW? I'd just make it stink like a regional pilot. Hair jel, Axe body spray. And I'd probably forget my ear buds and backpack in it anyways. It would take months to get the smell out.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
Nope. Damage was probably minimal due to the keel Hawkers have. You can gear up and repair.
Sheeeeet. No I'm not! I'm going to walk into the FBO and look for swag. Maybe hit the Golden Tee machine.
Well dang. That channel on the outside isn't the keel then?