121 Retirements

ClarkGriswold said:
Go to an airline that has quicker upgrade potential and potential to do things outside of flying to build the resume. Some places have 0 opportunity to do things unless you are in a tight knit group or super senior. Just my 2 cents.
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X2 cannot emphasize enough the opportunities I've had with my "lateral" move. I'd still be low seniority on the FO RSV list at my last airline, but things are quite different at the new shop.
 
Dexter said:
X2 cannot emphasize enough the opportunities I've had with my "lateral" move. I'd still be low seniority on the FO RSV list at my last airline, but things are quite different at the new shop.
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Ding ding ding. I'd still be a RSV FO or close to at the 1st regional. :eek2:
 
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Kingairer said:
I certainly would consider going to a place with flow. You can still go to an unaffilited airline if you chose. The airlines with flows are the only airlines getting additional flying now because they are the only ones who can staff them. With retirements, flowers ahead of you will keep the pipeline moving. As much as I hate the idea of flownthroughs I think anyone getting in to the industry should look at it strongly, it's a great hedge.
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False, but otherwise agree.
 
Derg said:
I know a couple that were shown the door before they reached 65.

Many do well with the extension, many do not, it really depends on you and genetics.

66.49 years is the average age a lot of us "check out".
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Only if you work longer than you really should. Retire at 50 and there's not any correlation.
 
tcco94 said:
Is it bad to have the idea of picking a regional that's more stable with recognition, rather than someone that's questionable on their stability, but have a flow? That's currently where I stand...and domiciles. I like some of the options I have for cadet programs as a CFI, but it's tough to decide where to go off that. Someone always has a higher bonus, better locations, lower upgrade times, etc.

I feel like I'd rather spend 2-4 years somewhere stable and happy than somewhere questionable and "flow"

But I'm new to this decision and it's definitely a big decision to make over time. I hope that is good logical thinking, at least for what I am looking for.
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If you only spend 2-4 years at the commuter level you will be very fortunate. It doesn't really matter where you go with that short of time frame, IMO.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Age 67 was started in Japan, because of number of people getting into aviation vs retirements, over there. Aren't we pretty much almost in the same situation over here?

@chrisreedrules isn't the only person that I've heard say this lately.
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I say it because I've heard the mainline guys talking about it a lot. An American Union guy was talking about it while I was on his Jumpseat.

Either way I don't think it will have the impact that some fear. It's just 2 years. And many will medical out before they reach 67. It would give many of the majors a chance to enact some sort of last ditch plan though.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I say it because I've heard the mainline guys talking about it a lot. An American Union guy was talking about it while I was on his Jumpseat.

Either way I don't think it will have the impact that some fear. It's just 2 years. And many will medical out before they reach 67. It would give many of the majors a chance to enact some sort of last ditch plan though.
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Laws get changed because lobbyists push for them. No one is pushing for age 67 currently.
 
chrisreedrules said:
It would give many of the majors a chance to enact some sort of last ditch plan though.
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They had 5 years from the previous rule change to do that, and they didn't. They had a whole series of mergers and consolidation to do that, and they didn't. They had a few years of fear after 9/11 and the effects of an economic recession that gave them some time to do that, and they didn't.

They won't plan ahead. If given more time, they'll just squander it yet again.
 
I will say that I've approached that "carnage of retirements" three times during my career and "something" has always happened.

9/11, Age-65, a merger.

It's nice to look and dream, but gosh dammit, there's always somethin'.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Age 67 was started in Japan, because of number of people getting into aviation vs retirements, over there. Aren't we pretty much almost in the same situation over here?

@chrisreedrules isn't the only person that I've heard say this lately.
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Yes, we are in the same situation, but extending it two years doesn't fix the issue of folks not getting into the training pipeline.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I say it because I've heard the mainline guys talking about it a lot. An American Union guy was talking about it while I was on his Jumpseat.
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They all don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Either way I don't think it will have the impact that some fear. It's just 2 years. And many will medical out before they reach 67. It would give many of the majors a chance to enact some sort of last ditch plan though.
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No many won't medical out before they reach 67. Being 67 is like being 50 now.
 
Derg said:
I will say that I've approached that "carnage of retirements" three times during my career and "something" has always happened.

9/11, Age-65, a merger.

It's nice to look and dream, but gosh dammit, there's always somethin'.
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You have to admit though, you've done pretty good (and deserve it!). Heck, I'm 38 with all the boxes checked, working at this crazy career for over ten years, and will probably never move past my current position as a regional CA. But hey, it's still a pretty good gig and beats what I used to do - sitting in an office!
 
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GypsyPilot said:
You have to admit though, you've done pretty good (and deserve it!). Heck, I'm 38 with all the boxes checked, working at this crazy career for over ten years, and will probably never move past my current position as a regional CA. But hey, it's still a pretty good gig and beats what I used to do - sitting in an office!
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I've had a fantastic career.

But if it went as projected, as nothing ever does, I'd have been a 727 captain since 2005 and L1011 captain since 2009 — and I'd be approaching my final eight years before a full retirement and pension.

Catch my drift? :)

Doesn't matter how fortunate you are, one persons "OMG, Look at you, Piccachu!" is another persons, "Yeah, HOWEVER…"
 
Derg said:
I've had a fantastic career.

But if it went as projected, as nothing ever does, I'd have been a 727 captain since 2005 and L1011 captain since 2009 — and I'd be approaching my final eight years before a full retirement and pension.

Catch my drift? :)

Doesn't matter how fortunate you are, one persons "OMG, Look at you, Piccachu!" is another persons, "Yeah, HOWEVER…"
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I hear ya... I was on track for a good career as a corporate pilot, but then the 2008 recession hit and several years later I was starting over at a regional. Sucks, but tomorrow I'm riding my mountain bike while most people work. Gotta look on the bright side in this crazy industry!
 
GypsyPilot said:
I hear ya... I was on track for a good career as a corporate pilot, but then the 2008 recession hit and several years later I was starting over at a regional. Sucks, but tomorrow I'm riding my mountain bike while most people work. Gotta look on the bright side in this crazy industry!
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Oh naturally.

At the end of the day, it beats digging ditches or processing stool samples! :)
 
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