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ATN_Pilot said:
That's not at my job. Nobody is paying me to drive the speed limit. When your employer pays you to do a job a certain way, you do it, or you should be fired.
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So...I mean, to be clear, the only reason why you didn't violate safety rules at the airline was you were paid not to? I guess this would lead me to wonder if you basically ignore minimums in your Mooney?
 
ppragman said:
So...I mean, to be clear, the only reason why you didn't violate safety rules at the airline was you were paid not to? I guess this would lead me to wonder if you basically ignore minimums in your Mooney?
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I'm pretty anal-retentive by nature, so no, I don't violate any rules when flying. I do generally ignore traffic laws, though, because most of them are nothing but revenue generation schemes. However, if I was a truck driver and my employer was paying me to follow traffic laws, I would do so. When someone exchanges currency for labor, you either provide them the labor that they are paying you for or you give up the money.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'm pretty anal-retentive by nature, so no, I don't violate any rules when flying. I do generally ignore traffic laws, though, because most of them are nothing but revenue generation schemes. However, if I was a truck driver and my employer was paying me to follow traffic laws, I would do so. When someone exchanges currency for labor, you either provide them the labor that they are paying you for or you give up the money.
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ATN_Pilot said:
I'm pretty anal-retentive by nature, so no, I don't violate any rules when flying. I do generally ignore traffic laws, though, because most of them are nothing but revenue generation schemes. However, if I was a truck driver and my employer was paying me to follow traffic laws, I would do so. When someone exchanges currency for labor, you either provide them the labor that they are paying you for or you give up the money.
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I hope to hell you obey them in residential areas.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Then I hope you go into your next interview and tell the panel that you think following the rules is unimportant.
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I've been away from AMF for a while, but the policy written in the handbook says that ties don't have to be worn when the temp is more than 85 degrees and the uniform short is now optional on lieu of the company provides polo shirt. So the pilots are following the rules.
 
ppragman said:
Not only are you mistaken about the members of JC...but you're wrong. I say that as someone who's been "management." You cannot judge a book by its cover. It is especially common for guys who haven't been around the block to mistake "pretty and compliant" (that is to say, nice clothing, good haircut, excellent first impression, dot every "i" cross every "t", ) with "good at aviating." Again, those who "care" will likely check both boxes - but this is not always the case, and I cannot even say that it is the case any more than a slight majority of the time. Also, where's the data other than anecdotes? I suggest that you are confusing a correlation with causation.
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I haven't been captain that long, but so far 100% of the FOs that generally refuse to wear the hat when required or put on their black Northface jacket instead of the uniform coat have had to have "the chat" about attitude, showing up to the van on time or "you can be captain, you can have weekends off, but if you require them concurrently, your beef isn't with me".

I figure just look sharp the way they want you to so we can really worry important crap.
 
UAL747400 said:
Unless I'm mistaken, the naysayers are all line pilots only, correct?

Yeah, I've only been a training captain and management at a lowly frieght company, but I'm still right.

Yes @z987k I'm going to be a crotch pheasant/full of myself/egotistical about this... :)

Sorry, but until you're in a position like that, you're just not going to see the big picture with this.
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ppragman said:
Not only are you mistaken about the members of JC...but you're wrong. I say that as someone who's been "management." You cannot judge a book by its cover. It is especially common for guys who haven't been around the block to mistake "pretty and compliant" (that is to say, nice clothing, good haircut, excellent first impression, dot every "i" cross every "t", ) with "good at aviating." Again, those who "care" will likely check both boxes - but this is not always the case, and I cannot even say that it is the case any more than a slight majority of the time. Also, where's the data other than anecdotes? I suggest that you are confusing a correlation with causation.
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No one here has ever spearheaded entire safety departments, or wrote an ASAP/SMS from scratch... nope. No other management, check airmen or training department people. Nope.
And us lowly line pilots have never been around enough and through enough training departments to know a bad one when we see it. I'm on my 7th airplane initial in the last 5 years. In house(sim and airplane), factory, FSI, CAE so I clearly don't know what a training department looks like.
 
Derg said:
I haven't been captain that long, but so far 100% of the FOs that generally refuse to wear the hat when required or put on their black Northface jacket instead of the uniform coat have had to have "the chat" about attitude, showing up to the van on time or "you can be captain, you can have weekends off, but if you require them concurrently, your beef isn't with me".

I figure just look sharp the way they want you to so we can really worry important crap.
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And you're the skipper, so you can do that. Also you're at a particular Suthun "Airline" where that kind of outfit is not only appropriate it's part of what the customer expects. Freight is by and large a different ballgame. The point is though, if a guy misses a callout that is by and large irrelevant, you're going to be "cool" provided he touches down in the touchdown zone on speed and on centerline - ya know the important stuff. Even so, if a guy forgot his hat, you probably would tell him "don't do it again" and ignore it afterwards.

As for showing up on time, when I flew the 1900, we were single pilot typed and approved in our GOM (in fact about half the runs were SP) so when my flaky FO didn't show up on time for the 50th freaking time, instead of calling him, I left without him and he had to sit in a hotel in the middle of nowhere all day - from then on he was never late again and apologized profusely - this was after having the "come to Jesus" talk with him multiple times about showing up on time, not smoking on the ramp, not smoking in his hotel room, etc. Nice guy, and a fairly decent pilot despite needing a lot of guidance about stuff.
 
Derg said:
I haven't been captain that long, but so far 100% of the FOs that generally refuse to wear the hat when required or put on their black Northface jacket instead of the uniform coat have had to have "the chat" about attitude, showing up to the van on time or "you can be captain, you can have weekends off, but if you require them concurrently, your beef isn't with me".

I figure just look sharp the way they want you to so we can really worry important crap.
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What UAL is saying is different from this. If Delta management decides that the hat is no longer required for tier 1 pilots and makes a policy where you no longer need to have it. A rogue CP says that all XXX based pilots should wear them anyways because professionalism...
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I drive what I consider to be a safe speed. I rarely look at the speedometer in residential areas, so couldn't tell you what speed I'm actually doing.
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This is a really bad idea actually, not saying I'm perfect...but yeah. By this logic I could say, "I fly to what I consider safe minimums, when I break out I have rarely looked at the altimeter so I couldn't tell you how low I actually was."
 
I also think it's worth mentioning that some outfits have objectively bad policies and procedures in place - these policies are written by humans, and sometimes humans suck at things. Like I mentioned earlier, I worked at a place where the policy was to always wait until you were on the ground to push the props forward in a twin turboprop. When the weather was 200 and 1/2 I was configured at the marker except for landing flaps - does this make me a bad pilot? A rogue? I'd like to hope not.
 
ppragman said:
This is a really bad idea actually, not saying I'm perfect...but yeah. By this logic I could say, "I fly to what I consider safe minimums, when I break out I have rarely looked at the altimeter so I couldn't tell you how low I actually was."
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There's actually a really good study that was done on speed limits in Canada that I cannot find for the life of me right now (I think @NickH might have it). But here's something I found that I think is pulling it's rational from that study and gives you a good overview.
http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/szn/determining_the_85th_percentile_speed.htm
 
ppragman said:
I also think it's worth mentioning that some outfits have objectively bad policies and procedures in place - these policies are written by humans, and sometimes humans suck at things. Like I mentioned earlier, I worked at a place where the policy was to always wait until you were on the ground to push the props forward in a twin turboprop. When the weather was 200 and 1/2 I was configured at the marker except for landing flaps - does this make me a bad pilot? A rogue? I'd like to hope not.
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AMF had that in the 99 I think for noise abatement, but ya, 200-1/2 I did the same thing. Fully configured for landing at the FAF. Like every other airplane and procedure in existence.
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