WN hiring soon question?

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DispatcherSam said:
And THAT is something I would love to be a part of.
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So be a part of it. You don't need to work for WN to do so. Apply that ethic and standards to your daily work.in your own shop. Be that guy who puts in the extra effort. Be the person that everyone goes to for the answers. Be the guy that everyone else watches and tries to emulate. If you do it, sooner or later, someone else will too. And then someone else. And the next thing you know, you've got a completely different culture at work. How do you think WN got that way?
 
Flying Saluki said:
So be a part of it. You don't need to work for WN to do so. Apply that ethic and standards to your daily work.in your own shop. Be that guy who puts in the extra effort. Be the person that everyone goes to for the answers. Be the guy that everyone else watches and tries to emulate. If you do it, sooner or later, someone else will too. And then someone else. And the next thing you know, you've got a completely different culture at work. How do you think WN got that way?
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Amen brother.

Some people have this poisonous mindset that, should they put in an extra amount of work here or there, they'll get some spotlight pointed at them as "This guy can handle a little extra, let's give it to them daily," and that mentality spreads so quickly it's stupid. "20% of the employees do 80% of the work 90% of the time." Come on now. Back at my old place oh god here we go again...

It doesn't matter what the job is. Whether it's pumping gas, or organizing shelves at Target, or pretending to code delays while you ACARS football scores to pilots, it's all about staying positive. Keep home at home, and work at work, and you're already off to a good start. No one cares your cat died or your kid was throwing rocks at cars on the road and got arrested again. If you can channel your thoughts -- all your thoughts -- into doing your job with a smile on your face -- and doing your job well, you're probably going to go above and beyond. Stick around long enough and you'll start being the one people look up to.

To quote another thread, no one cares where we come from.

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Flying Saluki said:
So be a part of it. You don't need to work for WN to do so. Apply that ethic and standards to your daily work.in your own shop. Be that guy who puts in the extra effort. Be the person that everyone goes to for the answers. Be the guy that everyone else watches and tries to emulate. If you do it, sooner or later, someone else will too. And then someone else. And the next thing you know, you've got a completely different culture at work. How do you think WN got that way?
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@DispatcherSam already does this. I worked with him at his current employer and he's solid. Those efforts go unnoticed there. I'm hoping he joins me here at WN.
 
Here is the bottom line. When those of us who have been in this industry for 15 to 20 years started, we were told that experience was everything to get to the majors. Then 9-11 happened. No one planned on that happening obviously, and everyone in the airline industry took a severe hit to career advancement to the majors, or even where we were at at in that moment. After that, a large group of dispatchers gained experience not only in the regionals, but wanted the challenges of working in a global, worldwide environment. Some went to global 121 supplemental carriers, while some stayed on at the regionals they were at and decided to work their way up the management ladder or stay on the dispatch desk and learn however much they could while being there. There are hundreds and hundreds of fantastic super dispatchers who absolutely should be and already should have been hired at the majors. While life and world events happened over time, airlines changed their hiring strategy. It affected ALOT of us. That decision, partially, resulted in the loss of a close friend who got stuck working at a regional where hours worked and how it affected his life with a disability was ignored and he ultimately paid the price with his life doing a job that he loved so much. Right or wrong, this stuff is happening.

For those of you who have all of the experience that really matters, remember that where you work does not make who YOU are as a person. You are a much better person anywhere in the airline industry because of your knowledge and experience gained. For some, you have tons of knowledge in North, Central, and South America. Some of us have a larger global bank of knowledge where we routinely sent aircraft into areas of conflict on a daily basis. We gained that experience not because we wanted a resume builder, but because we longed for more information and bigger challenges. We are all finding our own niches outside of the major airlines. We have discovered that working for a major is not what makes you happy, but loving what you do and still having the opportunity to move up into management or choose whatever path you want to be in and sharing our wealth of knowledge to the next generation of dispatchers out there. Some have become contractors helping 121 carriers all over the world improve their SOC teams, some have moved on into management at supplemental carriers, some have moved out of dispatch into something else entirely.

My point is, you can't change the current hiring strategies or environment. You can only move forward and be the best version of yourself.
 
Clrd2land said:
Here is the bottom line. When those of us who have been in this industry for 15 to 20 years started, we were told that experience was everything to get to the majors. Then 9-11 happened. No one planned on that happening obviously, and everyone in the airline industry took a severe hit to career advancement to the majors, or even where we were at at in that moment. After that, a large group of dispatchers gained experience not only in the regionals, but wanted the challenges of working in a global, worldwide environment. Some went to global 121 supplemental carriers, while some stayed on at the regionals they were at and decided to work their way up the management ladder or stay on the dispatch desk and learn however much they could while being there. There are hundreds and hundreds of fantastic super dispatchers who absolutely should be and already should have been hired at the majors. While life and world events happened over time, airlines changed their hiring strategy. It affected ALOT of us. That decision, partially, resulted in the loss of a close friend who got stuck working at a regional where hours worked and how it affected his life with a disability was ignored and he ultimately paid the price with his life doing a job that he loved so much. Right or wrong, this stuff is happening.
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It does seem like that at a certain point, employers stop valuing your experience. Having been in the field for over 20 years now myself, I can definitely identify with what you are saying, and I feel fortunate in having finally got on with a major, post-9/11...but I remember when the carrier I was working at during and after 9/11 went out of business, and I was left scrambling to try and find another job, finally landing a position with a regional which necessitated moving and selling a house. All this being said...I wouldn't throw in the towel on applying for new major openings if you still want to work at one. Network, use contacts, and keep your resume updated...you might end up being pleasantly surprised with the results!
 
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manniax said:
It does seem like that at a certain point, employers stop valuing your experience. Having been in the field for over 20 years now myself, I can definitely identify with what you are saying, and I feel fortunate in having finally got on with a major, post-9/11...but I remember when the carrier I was working at when 9/11 went out of business, and I was left scrambling to try and find another job, finally landing a position with a regional which necessitated moving and selling a house. All this being said...I wouldn't throw in the towel on applying for new major openings if you still want to work at one. Network, use contacts, and keep your resume updated...you might end up being pleasantly surprised with the results!
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I agree with not giving up, but there does come a time in everyone's life when you may have to decide that living like a gypsy is not really worth it. Putting down roots has become a huge thing for me. Penske is tired of seeing me, and they actually make the money off of us. If I wanted to continue waiting for a major, I may as well buy one of those tiny homes to have the ability to just move without packing up my life and uprooting myself. Things change as life happens. I do not want to spend my life waiting for the dream job. For me and a few others that I know in our predicament, we have decided to just put down roots and actually live life and still enjoy our career choices. I don't know what it is like to actually own a home. I would like to experience that sooner, rather than later.

I know this may sound like someone that has given up, and I have, but not really. I am a realist and just prefer to choose to be realistic about where I am headed for the next half of my career.
 
manniax said:
It does seem like that at a certain point, employers stop valuing your experience. Having been in the field for over 20 years now myself, I can definitely identify with what you are saying, and I feel fortunate in having finally got on with a major, post-9/11...but I remember when the carrier I was working at when 9/11 went out of business, and I was left scrambling to try and find another job, finally landing a position with a regional which necessitated moving and selling a house. All this being said...I wouldn't throw in the towel on applying for new major openings if you still want to work at one. Network, use contacts, and keep your resume updated...you might end up being pleasantly surprised with the results!
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It's not that employers don't value experience. But there is such a thing as too much experience. A 10 year dispatcher does not have twice the experience as a five year dispatcher. He/she has 5 years experience, and another 5 years of marking time. That recruiter's not thinking "Wow! 10 years experience!" The recruiter's thinking "Why hasn't this person advanced?"

if you have 2 or 3 years at a regional, followed by 2 or 3 years at a Supplemental or LCC, you're as experienced as you need to be to succeed on the job. If you stay at a regional beyond 3 years, you'd better be showing some upward mobility.
 
Clrd2land said:
I know this may sound like someone that has given up, and I have, but not really. I am a realist and just prefer to choose to be realistic about where I am headed for the next half of my career.
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There's nothing at all wrong with making a career at a regional...I know several people at the last place I worked who have, because they like the area and it's an affordable place to live. Also know several people at Skywest that have done the same thing. However, if you really want to work at a major, it never hurts to keep your resume updated and apply when you see an opening. Of course, everything in life is a trade-off, so if you think you'll be happier staying where you are at now that is fine also. Nothing wrong with schedule seniority!
 
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Flying Saluki said:
if you have 2 or 3 years at a regional, followed by 2 or 3 years at a Supplemental or LCC, you're as experienced as you need to be to succeed on the job. If you stay at a regional beyond 3 years, you'd better be showing some upward mobility.
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Yeah, I was worrying this was starting to happen with my resume...I spent a few years at regionals, then went to an LCC of sorts for a few years (the one that went out of business, post-9/11) and was actually quite happy there with no plans to try and get on with a major. When they shut down in late 2002, hardly anyone was hiring. I did have an interview with America West right after they shut down but didn't get an offer, and the first place I could find work was with a regional...one which, at the time, amazingly provided relocation assistance. So I went there, keep applying when I saw interesting positions get posted, began to despair about my chances of ever leaving the regional world, even considering a career change at one point, but finally got hired by a major a couple years later. So I think that if I can do it, most others can also if they are persistent. :cool:
 
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